Inside The Unity Bubble with Renata Duma

In this deeply warm and unexpectedly funny conversation, Claire welcomes Renata Duma to The Grace Space.

Renata’s path has moved through classical music, broadcasting, motherhood, mysticism, spiritual initiation, and frequency-based facilitation. What emerges in this dialogue is not simply a discussion of “spiritual technology,” but a shared remembering.

Together, Claire and Renata explore:

• The difference between conscious and unconscious suffering
• The Unity Bubble as a frequency-based path of remembrance
• Christ consciousness beyond religion
• The Rose model of the universe and organic coherence
• Homo Luminous as the coherent human template
• Galactic identity and multidimensional interference
• Ethical relationship as evolutionary practice
• The birth of the FreeMe Portal — a landing place for those reclaiming sovereignty

The tone is irreverent, grounded, and full of laughter. And the message is clear:

You are not a pawn on a board. You are a fractal of Source remembering itself.

Renata Duma has had the profound honour of guiding hundreds of clients as a Master Unity Bubble and Unity Living Facilitator, Unity Channel, Healer, and Clinical Hypnotist—supporting their ascent into deeper states of self-actualization, coherence, and Heart-Soul embodiment.

Born in Canada to Eastern European parents, her early life unfolded through the language of music and years of university and private study shaped her into a classical pianist, vocalist, and conductor of choral and ensemble repertoire. Her career expanded into television in her mid-30s, where she hosted two prime-time shows broadcast across Canada and Ukraine. 

Everything changed in 2009 when an accident ended her ability to perform professionally; she pivoted into the corporate world, eventually becoming the marketing director of a large publicly funded corporation (2015–2018). While successful, that role became spiritually suffocating. After a brief non-corporate transition, she “sold the urban farm,” reclaimed her freedom, and finally surrendered to her true vocation: healing work and spiritual mediumship. 

Renata is the creator of the FreeMe Portal, a soft place to land for those ready to consciously participate in their own awakening. She can be reached at Rada Lightwork.

Transcript

Meeting Renata And Shared Roots

Claire 0:01

Here we go. Renata, welcome. Welcome to the Grace Space. I'm so thrilled that you're here.

Renata 0:06

Oh, Claire, I can't even express how happy I am to not only be here, but to have met you and to um all of a sudden just be on this path with you together. And it's just so exciting. And I can't wait for all of the wonderful things that are going to bloom and blossom from our uh togetherness. Yeah.

Claire 0:30

Yeah. Thank you. Well, let's, I mean, maybe I'll just briefly tell people that we we met Renata and I, it's funny when you meet people in certain circumstances and you realize you have all this other stuff in common from the past, right? So we both we we feel like we before we met uh in this version, uh we knew each other in Canada when I was at Stratford and Renata was visiting Stratford often. And and so we think we met way back then, and um now we we've met under different circumstances. So um, Renata, tell tell everybody a little bit about your background because when I was reading your bio on your, you know, on your website after, you know, exchanging with you quite a bit already and and you know knowing knowing about you, when I read all of you know your your life story with your music career and then your broadcasting career and everything that happened, I was blown away by like the genius level of your gifts. And uh I was like, wow, this is uh amazing. So can you please just give us a little idea of how you grew up and your background? And well, thank you, Claire.

Music As Lifeline And Early Gifts

From Piano To Voice To Conducting

Injury, Transition, And Broadcasting

Renata 1:41

It's uh yeah, it's been uh it's been quite the the road traveled, but you know, it's same for you, right? I mean, um if you're gonna live life to the max, you know, it's going to come at you, give you that, give you all those uh opportunities to explore all of the all of the um the subjects and the ideas that you need uh as part of that exploration here, um, that you know that the Oversoul orchestrates. And um, well, I guess uh the most um important one to begin with, I suppose, is uh music because music really kept my brains together and kept me present. And um, so I started playing the piano at the age of three and a half. Um, and uh with uh with perfect pitch, I just went up to the piano and started playing it. So it's like you the having you know very comfortable on stage. I just went up to the instrument and started playing it. I I mean we bring these gifts from another dimension uh and another time. Uh so that turned into um uh not one but two degrees as a pianist, uh classical pianist, and then um I decided that I wanted to, I had mastered the piano, and I felt you know the the vocalists at the faculty, like we were always playing for the vocalists, right? And we were accompanying them, and I'm like, damn, I want to do that. Yeah. And uh my mom was an opera singer, so uh it was it was around the family, but uh you know, I was pigeonholed into no, no, you practice piano, this is what you do, right? And so um oddly, in uh at UT, I got selected to sing a uh a solo in the university. We used to call them the university screamers. We were supposed to be the university singers, but we called ourselves university. It was the screamers are on tonight, everybody, you know. Anyway, so and I looked at the the the conductor, right? Um, and and I said, You you realize I'm not in the vocal program. I'm in the I'm a piano. And he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're gonna you you sing, you you're gonna sing. Oh anyway, I was terrified. Uh but eventually um it all came together, and then I I I thought, no, I can do this. And so I ended up having a double double degree as as um as a pianist, and then I did my degree as vocalist. So that was a lot of fun and ended up um, so I had a concert series in Toronto for three, four years, which was pretty interesting. We were called the Silvestrov group, and I was honored to be given the right to perform uh Valentin Silvestrov's work. He's one of the prominent uh Soviet post-Soviet composers. He's still alive and I hope uh and living in uh in uh Berlin um and Kiev at the same time, and his music um is revolutionary anyway. So so he gave uh our group the authority to perform his music in the west, and it was the only group that was given that uh that beautiful um possibility, and um, and so that um that went on for quite a while um and uh had members of the TSO, um beautiful, incredible vocalists, soloists. Uh, I conducted sometimes the smaller ensembles, and then uh that um grew into me actually conducting the National Orchestra of Ukraine a couple of times, and uh which is if you're gonna have a human experience, guys, conduct an orchestra. Let me tell you, let me tell you what a rush that is. I can't even the the the way that the listening opens up, right? It's like at first all you hear is the violins at the front, and then you kind of like, oh, okay, I hear it, I can hear some flutes, and I can hear some. And then you start to hear the percussion and the brass, and it's like, and then this whole thing happens. It's it's like it's like um attaining consciousness and on a on a musical level. So the reason I said that it was the most important is because I feel like that kind of music, aside from them changing the A440 from A432, is probably the purest vibration you're gonna get on this planet, right? So I'm lucky to have been involved in that. And then I did do I did sing um jazz for some time um professionally, and I sang with Royal Opera Canada, um, which was a wonderful thing. But all of this was going on, Claire, when I had my my daughter, she was uh, you know, she was young, and it was not um it was not something uh that kind of a career choice was not something you do when you're a young mother, right? So so it was not something that I could go into a hundred percent, and uh, which is which is fine in retrospect, because I'm uh you know, given what um given where where I've ended up and you know I'm really happy that that chapter closed. And it should and it closed with me falling, actually, and pulling all these muscles out of my hand. And so like this, yeah, so this finger, I can't play, it just does weird things now. It it doesn't look too bad, but like you can see that this one kind of dingle-dangles, and so that was party tricks now, it does all these twisty things, and I won't go into it, but that was the end of that door, like it just and so I went, okay, well, where am I going now? And uh alongside sort of the winding, you know, down of that. Um, you know, I stepped into television. It was just a weird, you know, somebody I was seeing at the time said, well, why don't you audition? And I ended up getting the part. So it was um, I became the host of this Ukrainian television show that was prime time and it was shown across Canada and in um uh through Ukraine. And then I had another show called Body and Soul. So I was interviewing people very much like you're doing here in the gray space on uh all things body and soul related. Um, so and then I ended up teaching, broadcasting, um, in the school where uh Jim Carrey went to school. And uh I he wasn't there when I was teaching, but I I did speak with some of the uh facilitators or they were called directors at the time, um who did uh work with Jim and he was so shy. And wherever you are, Jim, I love you, babe. Uh he was so shy that he would come in at six o'clock at night. He couldn't be in the same class with everybody else. And the facilitator the directors would come in and work with Jim at six o'clock at night when everybody had gone gone home. That's how he was so shy, so insecure, didn't could not be in the classroom. And uh so that was uh that went on for a while too. So that was all about TV. Then I had a radio show for a while as well, uh, which was a lot of fun. Um, and then alongside all of that, um trying to, you know, put food on the table, uh, raise my daughter, um as uh as best I could on my own. I mean her dad is very much involved in her life, and I'm I'm very happy that he is, but it was still a one-way ticket when you're a single mom. And uh and through all of that was woven this this um deeply spiritual, psychic, and um phenomenal, literally phenomenal life with things that were happening all the time. And uh I was like, wow, okay, where is that coming from? And uh lots of really, really profound and you might almost say scary things that happen because it's inexplicable to someone who's looking from a 3D perspective, right? Like with nobody around me to uh share that with that doesn't think you're bonkers.

Claire 10:28

And was this lifelong? Like, you know, it didn't start spontaneously at certain age or anything, it's just your whole life you've also been extremely psychic and everything else.

Renata 10:37

Yeah, yeah. Okay, all that, yeah, all that.

Claire 10:40

And did you did you think everybody was like that? Or did you at some point go, wait a second, I'm hearing or seeing or feeling things other people aren't?

Psychic Life And Finding Teachers

The Unity Bubble Origin Story

Renata 10:49

I was looking, I looked really, really hard for others. And it wasn't until I was uh in my sort of early 20s that there was one teacher that I found who was actually a musician, um, who basically took me under his wing. And uh he just said, Okay, okay, kid, let's go, let's go have lunch, you know. And I'm like, okay. And and so we sat down at lunch, and and I guess he saw something that I didn't see. And he said, Okay, I can tell you something right now that will change your life forever. You'll never go back to being the person that you were when you walked into this restaurant, and but it will be the most profound thing you will ever learn, and it will set you off on a completely new path in your life. And I went, he said, like, I won't do it unless you agree. And I'm dude, bring it on, you know, bring it on. I don't I'm not saying no to that, right? Oh, hell no. So um, so he proceeded to uh introduce me to uh the school of the third way, Gergiefinism, um that kind of stuff. And man, did that ever mess me up for the longest time, right? Because I thought, okay, I'm already weird, but at least I know that there's other people out there that are weird too. So it gave me gave me a lot of hope. Um, so that was my introduction into that, and then um, you know, there was this uh sort of Buddhist kind of interweaving that that I I've I've mentioned to you before, and um, and then that ended up uh being very, very difficult. So uh as you know, the more you develop the inner world, the the more difficult it is to be in the outer world. Uh and until you figure out how to navigate it and what the purpose of it is and where where you fit into it. And for the longest time, up until I was about 50, 50 something, I really didn't feel like I fit in. And I was quite ready to go. I thought, nah, you know what, nothing here makes sense to me at all, at all, at all. And it was at a point in uh in my life, in my personal life, when my mom was uh um on her way out from a terminal brain tumor, and uh I was kind of looking after her, and I nothing was working. Relationships weren't working, I couldn't, you know, yeah, I had jobs, and yes, I've been in the corporate world and all that stuff, but like I hated every second of it, and um there was no fulfillment, and so yeah, I kind of came to the conclusion, well, you know, okay. When she when my mom goes, yeah, adios. And then of course, uh the universe stepped in, and I met uh my uh teacher uh and mentor Jonathan Sierra Davies, um, who um was a pivotal, pivotal influence in my life. And uh very quickly on uh Jonathan basically showed me that my kind of uh different was what made me really special and that that I was very much my kind of different and the stuff that didn't fit in anywhere else was very, very much needed here. So he completely shifted the you know the the the weight around of what I was carrying and and transmitted a unity bubble to me, um, which we can talk about and you know very well about. And um that was it. I was put back into a 6D environment, which is where I'm comfortable. Um, and I felt like I was a foot and a half taller than I am. I still feel that, and that was, I don't know, 12 years ago. Uh no, not that, yeah. Yeah, oh my gosh, 10 years ago. And um, and then um as I continued to to work with him and uh and as he continued to share uh his um final additions to the Unity Bubble process, um I became uh facilitator and uh and then when we had the uh the big uh you know thing that happened. The big the big goofy the big goofy, I was uh I was pretty much like literally like fed up with the you know working to maintain a condo that like I didn't want to be in Toronto, I didn't want to have a condo, I didn't want to have a job downtown, I didn't want any of it. And you know, I was the only one that was completely I was the only person on the bus and on the subway in Toronto. Like I have pictures of the entire subway being empty. I'm the only it's like I had a personal limousine service to work every day, right? The buses serious, and I just and it was this all of a sudden, it just came to me. I was like, I'm not doing this anymore, I'm not and and it was just like spontaneously, it was like I went, okay, I'm gonna sell my condo and I'm gonna buy my freedom. And I had no idea what the value was, and like none of that stuff made, you know, it was like uh but as soon as I decided that everything within three months fell into place. I went chop chop bang bang bang bang bang, it was gone, and I literally bought my freedom. Wow, and uh I moved to Montreal for a year, uh that was in 2019, and I just thought, okay, Montreal, it's gonna be um it's you know, I wanted to be in a more European kind of environment, you know, where I feel more comfortable, artsy, you know, this kind of thing. Well, it was nothing like that. It was full-on lockdown, curfew, um, you know, uh complete insanity. And and uh, you know, I saw uh human trafficking ring busted across the street from me. And I mean, to validate all of that horrible stuff that we're hearing, I saw it, I saw it, I saw it outside my window. So um anyway, I lasted in um Montreal for a year, and then four years ago, uh almost to the day, I was lucky enough to move here to I call it Bacornia. I love my Bacornia in the Coartha Lakes region in Ontario, so deep in the country. Um, and I'm very, very happy to be uh in this place and very lucky to be in this place and hosted in this place by dear friends. And um, and it's been a bit of a hermit uh existence, which is uh what I think we all have to do when it's time to do the big work. Yeah, when it's time to put on the big girl boots and um go inside. Very familiar with the hermit existence myself. Yeah. There you go. So that's pretty much it. Uh and uh so over the past uh four years I've been developing um, you know, doing a lot of work with uh with people with the Unity Bubble. Um then um a lot of channeling, working with my friend Darius as well, who's uh in Italy, he's a very gifted channeler as well. And uh, you know, we we he's part of the Freemi Portal. We'll talk about that too. Yeah, um, and uh and then uh as you know, where we met the second time, uh George Cavasilis, our our beloved George, uh that was a whole new level of right, just like da da da just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, right? Right. Just when you thought you were good with your chakras and your kundalini and your and your and your pineal gland and all that stuff, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, right. So yeah, so that yeah, that that just you know that's like putting a blender in your brain and turning it on high, right?

Claire 19:47

No kidding, it's the best thing for you, right? Because then you have to discard the identity that you that your ego tried to create around uh that belief system. Yeah. So I would love to go back to something you said and and have you tell us more about the unity bubble. You said uh once you got your unity bubble that you were um back to living in a 60 environment. And I I think there were probably a lot of people who went, hmm, what does that mean exactly? Can you describe that and then talk about the unity bubble? Sure.

Renata 20:21

Uh it's very difficult to describe um because it is one of these things that is beyond the realm of words, it's in the realm of feeling and is-ness. Um, however, it is, if I were to describe it, a an eighth-dimensional frequency. It's a tool. The unity bubble itself. Yes, the unity bubble itself. I called it a bubble, but I can't I can't help that. I tried to change that. I don't know. Okay. So it's a frequency field and it is transmitted to anyone who is open and willing by someone who is authorized to transmit that. And um this is the mentorship that I went through with Jonathan to earn the authority to be able to, because it is it is not me that's giving, it's the group called Unity who worked with Jonathan, uh, and Jonathan worked with them over a period of several years to develop this gift that was to free humanity from unconscious suffering. Oh, unconscious suffering.

Claire 21:46

I love that. I mean, I don't love it, but I love that it's named uh as such. So, yeah, this group, which is beyond the physical uh realm, certain what, masters, certain teachers, the Could you describe it?

Renata 22:01

Yeah, yeah. There are there are the the light beings of unity include uh creator uh Christa Sophia, um the um uh the Council of Grandmothers, uh Penn, um uh some of the archangelic, not the distorted elements. Um I had to wrap my brains around that after George.

Claire 22:23

Yeah, well, and maybe we could just uh just touch on that. Um because in in my work I talk a lot about the difference between synthetic and organic, right? And when you when you mention creator, right, that this is we get so screwy around this terminology, right? Because you know, many people say, well, I believe in God, you know, and and what what does that mean exactly? It means so many different things because that word means so many different things. When you say creator, I'm assuming that you're you're talking about the universal creator, the original universal creator of this universe, right? Not the God, uh, the the God of religions as the God of the Matrix, you know, a synthetic overlay on the organic reality of the creator. Am I correct in assuming that?

Creator, Christ Consciousness, And Clarity

Renata 23:10

Absolutely. And of course, you know, when Jonathan was alive, uh, he passed uh he passed in 2017. Um anyway, he uh would use the term creator, he would very seldom actually use the the term God, but it was with the understanding that it was not a localized deity or um perceived uh structure that is all powerful and just the one uh for everything. Like that was never something that Jonathan talked about way, way, way before I met George, right? And way before I understood what George was talking about. So when when I say I do not refer to the uh any kind of God with a small g, we're talking about creation, creator, uh this universe uh in Christ consciousness, because this is a Christ consciousness universe, and the the unity bubble is actually ultimately if you're gonna take it to its nth degree as a vehicle for self-actualization in and attaining Christ consciousness. Um it's again, it's like anything else. You're gonna get out of it what you put into it and what you want from it. So some people come to me and and they just want to uh, you know, they're they're tired of uh, you know, abusive relationships, they're tired of uh being addicted to certain substances or or or mindsets, they're tired of the inner resistance, they're tired of all the the noise, you know, all of that stuff, and they just want peace. They just want peace. And this uh this process, the unity bubble in particular, it and uh the first transmission after the unity unity bubble is called the flow, which puts things into motion and addresses all the resistance that we carry from all of the programming. This is and anyone who has done this to any degree and has seen the um the results for themselves in their own lives would agree with me when I say this is the best kept secret around. And uh it's it is a powerful, powerful tool for transformation, but in particular to end unconscious suffering.

How The Unity Bubble Works

Claire 25:56

So I keep being really intrigued by that phrase. Um so the unity bubble for for someone who doesn't know anything about it and is coming in and is like, yeah, I'm open to having a unity bubble. Like, how does it work on the I mean, I know we can't talk about it in 3D terms because it doesn't exist in the 3D, but it but it has an effect in the 3D. Um does it is this um a harmonizer of our own biofield? Is it uh working with us on the eighth-dimensional level because we exist on all of these different dimensional levels? When you talk about you know returning to Christ consciousness, just to be clear to the listeners, we're not referring to the personage known by most people as Jesus the Christ, we're talking about a state of consciousness, state of being that is all of all accepting, all unconditional um embrace of all that is, right? So how does it uh how does it work? How does it work? What's going on? Because I I was uh fortunate enough to be uh in in a group that is going through the unity bubble process with you. And all I know, because you know, I I'm not I I'm not as sensitive in the way that you are, but like all I know is that when I sat down with you to start the Unity Bubble process, I was like, I don't know what this is. I'm just totally open, you know. Uh I'm interested in anything that is gonna, you know, um bring me closer to the truth of what I am. And I had this experience of like spontaneous, even before we started. And I've noticed this tends to happen to me like before a process actually starts. It's like it's already starting. Yeah, whatever it is, I don't even know. Right. And and like I felt like this incredible tenderness come all up through me and around me, you know, that and and it, and when I have that feeling, I I'm I I become aware of what a hard time I seem to always be giving myself and that I don't have to because actually I'm totally loved. Yeah. And and I feel the difference in my own uh my own bubble, I guess you could call it, that I'm used to living in. And the truth of the field, you know, the the universe. Yeah, I'm getting really vague with my words, but like, you know, it was this beautiful feeling of being welcomed unconditionally, and like anything you've ever done in your life that was stupid is like it that really doesn't matter. We love you, you know, none of that stuff matters. So that was how I experienced my introduction to the bubble was like that, you know, and otherwise, you know, like I I don't notice much, but I don't necessarily recognize that we don't have to directly attribute if you try to be linear in how you attribute changes in your life, you you can't be because we are uh fractal and multi-dimensional. Uh everything is affecting us at all times. Uh, but uh I'm I'm just really curious. Sorry, I didn't design for me to be quiet so that you can speak. Oh, no, um yeah. How does it work? What is it doing?

Renata 29:35

Well, first of all, thank you for sharing that, and thank you for being part of this beautiful uh Unity Bubble group that we're having right now. And the the truth is it works in the way that you need it to work. So everyone's experience will be unique to them. It's kind of like having you know a dish from the eighth dimension that's been you know prepared by these incredible deities in this kitchen with so much love and attention, and they offer you a slice because you're interested in having a taste, and it's gonna be a different taste for every single person and a different experience texturally, aromatically, um, taste-wise, it's just gonna be different for everyone, and that's really what the frequency is because when you get a Unity bubble, it's not a one-size-fits-all from you know the giant tiger, right? It's it's uh tailor-made to you specifically, right? And it always pulls me over because it not only have I done the process, but I facilitated the process hundreds and hundreds of times, and each time I do, I'm put into a state of such love, just like you described, and it's just this big, huge hug from the inside out, and it's this feeling that everything is just fine, you know, it's okay, it's okay, you're gonna be good, you're good, you are good, right? And the overwhelming unconditional love that I feel pouring through me when I do the transmissions, I'm just as elated giving the bubble and the transmissions as those who are receiving them, and and I have my own experience every time I transmit one, and uh every time I'm channeling for for for a client. Um, it's uh it's unique. So the frequency that they get is going to be exactly what they need in their journey at that time, so it's made up of technically a couple of hundred infusions and removals. And this took about three years for Jonathan working with Unity to literally put together and test out. So Jonathan and his his wonderful uh wife Hazel, who was with him throughout this whole time, they would be the guinea pigs, and they they'd be like, Okay, how does how is this working? And they'd be like, Oh, hell no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not working. Remove, remove, remove. No, you have to get rid of this first and then put that in, right? So are we talking about frequencies here?

Claire 32:59

It's almost like okay, working with I just image of you as a conductor. Um, you know, you're working with frequency in the universe. Some people just have the gift of being able to do that, right? So we're gonna choose the frequency that represents when we say it in words, you know, removal of uh fear of death, right? Um, and then we're gonna work with a frequency that that uh gives something like you know, trust in your inner being, right? So there are actually frequencies that represent those what we would call concepts because we're speaking about them in words. Is that somewhat like am I even getting close to describing something?

Frequencies, Removals, And Infusions

Renata 33:42

Well, totally, and and ultimately we are a frequency. So like when we pass from here, Claire, um I've been I've been doing a lot of um recently I've been very interested in in the the work of Seth um and um and putting him through the the toroidal ether model with Lee's um we'll talk about that, yeah. And Seth is actually a 2.5k something frequency, which is the same frequency that we would attribute. Uh so he was created when the split happened after Mars went into its warring period, and so he's an adversarial frequency that we also call um low-key or Satan. And we know that that's a big trigger word for everyone. So Satan Satan, that just means the opposer. And again, things that's been really contorted by you know, nothing to be, and there's there, you know, not to say there isn't evil, it's the opposite of live, right? However, it these things are not to be not meant to be um frightening, but I digress. So the the frequency, as you say, um the reason I was interested in the in the Seth frequency was because I started to tune into the adversarial nature of it. And when I realized that that's a you know, that's great. We all need, you know, if we're here as spiritual warriors, some of us need to tune into that adversarial frequency to fuel us when we are battling um something that we feel that we need to battle. Of course, ultimately it's all you know, it's all expansion and contraction back into the oneness. But while we're on that path, and when we choose to uh to do battle or to uh become the opposer of certain things that we no longer wish to be uh uh suppressed by or uh taken advantage of by, then we need that frequency of adversarial strength to fortify us in a certain way that we can address those things. So all of these things, and ultimately Seth will merge back into like Seth and Horace are gonna merge back in together, and it's going to be once again a unified frequency of absolute love and oneness and beauty. So, in terms of the bubble, the unity bubble, yes, you're absolutely right. Each one of these infusions and removals, so you remove that frequency if you're carrying it of the fear of death or of jealousy or of spitefulness or of uh, you know, whatever. And then you replace that with unconditional love, with uh uh with appreciation for beauty, with appreciation for nature, uh appreciation for animals, right? So all of these things, and they're over the entire process is uh eight transmissions, including the Unity Bubble to begin with. So it takes a little while. It used to take a lot longer, Jonathan. You wouldn't give anybody a transmission, it was once a month, but now it's you know, I'm I'm offering them depending on where people are at, I'll do one every couple of weeks. You know, they're okay.

Claire 37:05

And depending on like where people are at, because it's almost like overwriting, isn't it? Like if you go in and overwrite a program with us a program that supersedes that program, supersedes it in terms of uh uh in terms of frequency, right? Because uh a higher order uh configuration supersedes a lower order configuration, doesn't it? It it organizes or entrains that to its level.

Renata 37:33

I I agree with you. However, I would say that it actually precedes it because you were originally purity and balance and in alignment. So you came here to get all messed up to have an exploration. So this is an accelerated path to becoming that which you always were in the first place. Back to the remembering, huh? Back to the remembering. This is not about taking on any kind of personas or about fixing anything, it's about being becoming that who you truly are to begin with.

Claire 38:11

That's it. Beautiful, I love it. Um, can you tell us more about uh I I mean, I know that this is like a whole conversation in and of itself, so we we can't go as deep as we would both like, I'm sure. But when can you tell me more about the Rose model of the universe you mentioned a moment ago, putting something through that model? This is from your friend Lee, who is one of the facilitators on the Free Me portal, which we're gonna get to talking about as well. Um, what what what is that?

Renata 38:39

Well, I I can't tell you that I know either, because it is a it requires a huge presence and brain that Lee Mudway, um my dear brother, friend, um has, who has connected with this truth, and it is an ancient truth, and it has been a hidden truth, and it is a truth that is beyond duality, it is the truth that is beyond uh the mirror of the matrix, although it embraces all of that in the expansion and contraction. So if you kind of think of the heart is an eight-petaled rose, and as that rose opens, it goes into its expansion, and then it has to go back into its contraction as it finishes its growth process. So it's all about this, you know, how many thousands of that millions of years of of growth to uh to come back to uh to to the end. So the 144,000, when we talk about that according to the rose model, this is the those of us who carry the breath, when all of us who remember who we are breathe at 4.4 seconds when we do this all together, like the rose breathing, right? The expansion contraction, the natural pulse of the heart, right? So your heart is that is the fractality, fractal, whatever it is, of the of the universe, right? Um as you breathe and expand and come back, you are breathing in tandem with consciousness, with the universe, with everything there is it's a very organic understanding. There is no duality, it is just all one, experiencing different sides of itself and different aspects. Oh, yes, there's a big storm coming up as we're talking about this.

The Rose Model And 144,000 Breath

Claire 40:59

I gotta close the window. Cool, cool, cool, cool. I'd love to leave the window open, but I think the rain might lash. But I mean, I just have to say, I think that's very interesting that as we're talking about this, like, mmm, yeah, we're stirring up some stuff.

Renata 41:19

Yeah, isn't it wild out there? Ah, I love it. I could see the palm trees going. Isn't it wonderful? Yes, sorry to interrupt. No, no, no, not at all. So, so basically, when the 144,000 breathe in this interval of 4.4 seconds and breathe, uh, breathe in and then uh breathe out in the same rhythm. And it's going to happen organically, naturally. It's like the entrainment that you talked about, right? That that's it, it will all fall back into its state of purity and and oneness and its original form. So this is you know, as within, so without. So this it's the same idea with the unity bubble. It's about removing everything that is in your way when you uh the the the interference from the matrix, the the noise, the the frequencies that they're bouncing off of, like the the 72 billion bits of information. I've seen, I don't know if you've seen it, but like four times now, I've actually seen it. I've seen the numbers dropping and and codes being interjected this way, and there's about six five or six layers of numbers dropping. I've seen it. And we're in the in the matrix, you mean like yeah, I've seen it in my with my inner vision. Yeah. And so these are all these things that are imposed upon us, and we're trying to have this exploration here as as this um human being, right? But we're we're this is the avatar. We are the the the soul in a human avatar. We are not a a human being with a soul, right? So these impositions, which we decided that we were gonna cook up a long time ago to make it to make it fun, right? Yeah, sometimes I wonder. What were we thinking? Yeah, exactly. Tired, like seriously? One of us was smoking something funny that day.

Claire 43:28

Oh my gosh. There's more like, is this gonna be over soon?

Matrix Interference And Conscious Suffering

SSP Memories And Working With Erica

Renata 43:33

This is a great game, but you know, the game can go on too long. Yeah, yeah. Like we really uh, you know, we really uh pulled all the stops out when we made this one. Oh man, man oh man. Oh man, oh man. Anyway, so uh you know, but then the the beautiful thing is we came up with stuff like like Jonathan came up with the Unity Bubble, you know, and that's available to us, right? Yes, it's available to us to uh to draw in these tools to search these things out and you know search and ye will find right and and to to to accelerate this uh you know to fast track this process for yourself so that you're not suffering unconditionally it's one thing to like I had to wrap like that first teacher of mine the one that told me you know about the the Grujepian shit I shouldn't say shit it's wonderful stuff but um um he talked about unconditional suffering um conscious suffering and unconscious suffering it took me years years to wrap my brain around it I'm like Robert suffering is bloody suffering I don't care what kind of an outfit you put it in right not so we clearly came here to suffer consciously for the purpose of having the growth and the expansion of this exploration suffering unconsciously is when you realize you are suffering you don't do anything about it so it's that is exercising your free will so you can through your free will get a unity bubble and you are not going to have that kind of interference resistance and you're going to reach your spiritual goals faster because of the lack of this interference and the dissolution of the resistance right it's that simple well it's like any spiritual technology right I mean technology is not just you know the this stuff that we're working with technology uh is anything any tool that helps us right or you know exactly ideally exactly exactly yeah and and not to say like we were talking earlier about you know the kundalini and the chakras and you know geor himself our our beloved George Cavasolis says that all of these things were were important to a certain they but they could they'll only take you to a certain level right hence the you know and and uh but like you said when you started doing the the kundalini yoga that that helped you tremendously so these are all things that are in their they have value so we're none of us are poo-pooing anything it's whatever you resonate with whatever floats your boat whatever your soul tells you your heart and soul and your innate essence tells you oh okay this is interesting to me I'm resonating with this go and explore it go and explore it if your innate is telling you to go and take a cooking course yeah well maybe there's something you need to learn about nurturing yourself right it's not always that you know thunderbolts and lightning it's well also sometimes you need to experience the other side of something that you had maybe a role in implementing I mean I I became aware after much time I you know there was a connection for me between the Atlantean uh the period the Atlantean period when technology when um overlays were imposed on the human form right in the form of kundalini pineal axis and chakras right because those are not natural to our spiritual anatomy let's say I I realized oh I I feel like I had a role in that imposition actually yeah so I had to come back and experience the the other side of it and explore that and feel it out you know um I had to experience the other side of that imposition so that I could learn to see outside of it. Well you know when you when you uh impose something you a lot of times you're imposing unknowingly right you think you're bringing something good right I mean it's kind of like missionaries who go into oh yeah populations and they're like let's now we tell you what things are really you know this is what you're really supposed to believe in this is the real God this is the real Savior right yeah so so you know I I mean I I totally trust uh people's paths because uh you know we may not understand why people choose the the paths that they do or if they appear to be choosing unconsciously or whatever but you know there's always a higher a higher order um absolutely and what's coming to mind is like I'm just doodling here but I I like to when I think when I have a profound thought I'm thinking in terms of very visual so what you were saying about having a role as the um uh imposer of these paradigms or whatever as well as the one who is seeking liberation from it let's not forget that there is no such thing as time and all of these things are occurring in the same at the same time right but this is an entirely different awareness that you can bring into yourself without judgment without any kind of uh you know negative thought about it because at the same time and this is the word you know the opposer word I don't want to say it again because it freaks people out but you know where but you know where I'm going with this so you are in effect your own opposer to the system that you have created and are trying to uncreate yes again ultimately where where I'm going with all of this is when we I've come to this realization that it's absolutely everything and it's I've kind of known it but I've been feeling it lately which is a completely different kettle of fish it's all our trip man everything this reality like we know I create my reality everybody says that but okay do you get to what extent you create Ilia yeah I mean if you're gonna say that if you're gonna embrace that yeah that means all of it right not just when it's convenient right and and you know that we got to keep this in mind when we're dealing with uh realities that are very very unpalatable very difficult to face and I would love for you to talk a little bit about the work that you're doing with Erica on that subject Erica Emerina and you know and her work it's so Erica has been here in the great space and yeah we had an amazing uh time talking and you know her work is a lot of it is helping people who have been um mylabed abducted mylab meaning military abduction um and you are uh creating something together the two of you uh and I would love to hear more of that uh more about that series thank you yeah uh well um I met uh Erica again around the same time when we were doing uh the George George courses and I heard her speak on on Dr. Salah's Exopolitics uh channel and something in me just said okay I need to have a session with this lady I need to explore what she's talking about here and so that was about three months ago and uh I mean if you have to experience Erica first right and before any kind of work that we were going to be doing together. So um she revealed to me that I have a past as well in the SSP. SSP is the secret space program and particularly the Nachtwaffen which is the Dark Fleet um as a very um not nice person. And that went on for about 50 years apparently uh so I did a 50 and back and and it made a lot of sense because I don't remember any of my childhood. I don't remember any of my adolescence I don't actually remember much other than from photographs uh or from like meeting certain people or whatever but everything else is like a big blur until I was 50 years old which makes sense because apparently I was um a walk-in at birth and taken very soon after that as most children are and my mother was also involved in that so um there was experimentation on her which she talked about my mother was in a in a Nazi concentration camp and was experimented on she she remembered that so it it goes uh it's a genetic thing right they they they target there is a genetic reason that they go after certain individuals and um it has to do with the in my case also with the Magdalene bloodline and all of that stuff and don't need to get into it but the the bottom line is that opened up um my relationship with Erica and um we started to sort of compare notes of what I do and she she started hearing back from people in the Unity Bubble group that are also working with her uh and she realized wow there's something about this that's helping people get through their trauma right because when she has a session with someone it's difficult because they're going to be hearing truths about themselves that they better be prepared to hear. And and and process so we basically decided that uh we're going to be working on a uh a series of interviews and courses together uh to um go deeper into that because Erica's abilities have grown even in the last uh couple of months she's able to see implants now and also able to remove uh gray attachment to those um implants and the truth of the matter is and this is the shocking part um you know which we will be revealing on a mass scale i i'm I'm not scared to say it here I don't think it's it's gonna create a huge uh uh problem but the truth is that there's a lot more of that kind of infiltration than you would imagine oh my god okay so for grace space audiences who are just waking up to this kind of thing what exactly are we talking about here we're talking about uh well uh humanity in general is a commodity right uh as George says you know it's the earth farm right and everybody in the galaxy knows it's a horrible it's a horrible truth it's almost like uh the the great cosmic joke that earth is a big farm so so there are those uh again we are all part of the same consciousness this is all part of this play of consciousness as Baba Mukshananda used to say right we're all in a play of consciousness um who are exploring and trapping others and uh using resources human resources not in a not when it comes to the job pool let's just put it that way human resources that have to do with uh fluids and uh functionalities of of the human body and so the truth is that this is far far far more widespread than we have been um even allowed to imagine and this is um something that um we are uh Erica and I are um we're we're exploring and uh we're also working a little bit with the um because of her connections within the uh upstairs they they've given us better better explain what that means too that means the galactics okay the galactics who have basically given her and me the go-ahead to do this because for a while we were put into a holding pattern because of the uh as you very well know uh claire the the unsettling nature of reality right now so there was there was a time in early December November December when there were so many things that were being reshuffled because the consciousness was going through such a you know it's like putting a hundred ping pong balls in the dryer and trying to decide which way is up right a very apt metaphor only because the dryer's been on uh and so basically they said oi like because everybody according to that um the way that the chessboard was reading at the time we were all gonna be given our new marching orders because as the starseeds as the envoys and um the original order that we came here to to you know to be the light and to transmit our frequency and to you know uh to become that critical mass that ignites the awakening well those orders are done because that was abandoned because of what went on in in the Galactic Federation etc so we are all waiting we've all kind of been feeling I'm sure you felt it too kind of this limbo like I am going what am I doing and you know well we you know we keep putting one foot in front of the other and thinking of things to do and and and how we can contribute and whatever but in the grand scope of things uh like what's my mission like what am I really here to do and so uh it was uh an interesting um it was an organic kind of outgrowth from Erica and I meeting in the first place and you know me doing the bubble thing and her discovering that this was a lot more uh insidious than than we imagined and we and it just kind of was like oh okay well and then having done our bubble group and people having breakthroughs and in the in that process and being helped by what I'm doing it just made sense that we bring what we do together so that we can offer it um uh in whatever way we can so right now we're working on how to do that effectively um and um and I know Dr. Sala's holding place for for Erica to come on and announce that we're gonna be doing this uh so I would say sometime this month it's going to happen.

Claire 1:00:09

Amazing and guys uh you know if a lot of this may be new to you uh if you're you know those of you who are watching and listening um but go on to you know all of Renata's links are in the show notes go go on to her website and check out there's a lot of information about the Unity Bubble and so essentially what you guys are gonna be doing is tag teaming working together to help people when you are going to uh transmit the unity bubble and help people through that process over a period of time and Erica with her gifts is going to be helping people remove the interference right I know when I had a session with Erica there were a couple of grades on me that had to go you know um and and what you were saying Renata is that is that um what she is seeing and realizing is that that kind of interference is way way way more common than anybody ever realized because most people don't see uh or sense on that dimensional level I don't I you know uh I do the work that I do the way that I do it I have my own gifts but I don't see what she sees I don't you know well we agreed to forget right we I guess right but you know she's like they took advantage of that right I I know I know I know she she says that those those have they've been with you since you were in the womb. Oh yeah well you know so how would you know any different right and if she hadn't told me I wouldn't have known I've I've uh you know but somewhere in my heart I'm like okay yeah it makes sense it's okay it's all fine nothing to be afraid of so she you know she can help people um with uh uh synthetic overlays and um interference that is happening on uh the multidimensional level that you may not be aware of on the 3D level but it's still affecting you on the 3D level and then you're helping people by giving them a bubble and the the different layers of the bubble as the weeks go by. So I mean that sounds like a super super powerful combination.

Galactic Infiltration And Healing Support

Renata 1:02:11

Yeah thank you yeah we hope so we well we we know it is and you know it's just up to individuals to want to embrace that and to go into it and I mean it is work. You know it's it's not it's not for the faint of heart. I mean as you know Claire any kind of any kind of spiritual work that that that we go into that we endeavor uh to gain from requires an effort and it doesn't you know and the the greater the effort and and usually the the challenge and the suffering the but the conscious suffering it's so worth it at the end of it because then you are free and that's the whole point yeah to get to that and it does get easier. I mean you know the heavy lifting is at the beginning the heavy lifting is always you know you you're just having to to to face things be honest with yourself you know I mean that's the that's the place where we want to make things the hardest is is you know denying ourselves lying to ourselves you know I think we're so somewhere so um uh afraid of the light that we are afraid to let that be what it is you know we have a bunch of uh defense uh defenses against it too and as you say you know we've chosen to forget a lot in order to function here otherwise it might just be too painful um or it would be impossible because no it would be impossible because you would know that you are an eternal all uh omnipotent eternal full fractal of consciousness that is that is able to to uh create reality with your thought which is why we're here in the first place because it's our creation when you when you doubt that you're like uh you have to remember yeah but look where you are and what you're doing this is all in your creation too right it's a co-creation of all of us but we have to forget it so that we can have the ex the exploration we have if we remember that you can't really be terrified when your child is sick you can't really you know have that that ecstatic feeling when something fantastic happens that you've been working you know you can't you can't have the human exploration if you know who you truly are you can you can you know at some point you start to kind of go oh hold the phone you know I always think about that story the the story from uh one of the really really ancient Vedic texts about the god who decided who loved cows so much that he decided he wanted to to experience being a cow so he turned himself into a cow and then of course once he was a cow he thought like a cow and so he forgot that he had been a god before and his friends had to come down and rescue him. Yeah right exactly before he ended up a stink on the plate yeah and I'm like moo exactly so and what a metaphor you know and this is how they treat us they treat us like cattle right it's just but we created that paradigm you know it's fine it's fine it's fine and and so ultimately yeah so with Erica I'm looking forward to that and and we're both very very much looking forward to to to you know developing that together and offering that and she's uh an incredible incredible powerhouse and uh um I mean what a lady and what uh if if anybody wants to get familiar with Erica just uh exopolitics uh and

Claire 1:06:00

And Exit Politics Today, Dr. Salah, Michael Salah's show. Exactly. It's a great resource for lots of different, I mean, and of course, the Free Me Portal, which I would love to talk about now. I'm a facilitator on the FreeMe Portal, proud to say. Erica is, Lee is of the Rose Model of the Universe and others. And this is Renata's new uh venture, um, which uh I would love for you to tell everybody about.

Renata 1:06:31

Well, thank you, Claire. Um Free Me Portal, and it's not as in Free Me because I'm oh poor free and free me. It's free me, eh? I'm free. And this is a portal that anyone else can walk through and find their freedom as well. So the it was born from um the time when you and I were together in George's uh class, and I became aware of uh Dr. Andrea Martin and the and the full-on plight of the starseeds and envoys of which we both are, and um and something inside of me uh shifted, and I knew that I had to do something. I wasn't quite sure what anyway. I got uh on a call with uh with uh with Dr. Andrea and she basically lit a fire under me. She's like, you know, you've had this experience, you've done this, you've done. Are you joking me? Well, it's pretty obvious you need to have a platform, isn't it? Right? And I'm like, oh no, I'm not going there again. Oh, I thought I was done with all of that. Okay, and so at first I thought it was just gonna be geared towards um awakening the starseeds and the envoys, etc. And and you know, that was that was valiant and noble. And as um as time went on, I realized I don't want to be doing anything in opposition to anything because what you resist what you resist persists. So it it had to shift into a welcoming to the process of becoming self-actualized, becoming the homo luminous, becoming that which we always were. So there's it's like that e-day fix in your life. It's always been about sovereignty and freedom, right? With me, it's the same thing, but it's about self-actualization and becoming that which that that essence of the truth and divinity that we always were as an expression within the Christ consciousness. So that that's been my e-day fix. So so as the um the fires of creation were burning around Freemi Portal, um, and in talking to Lee um and talking to uh Dr. Andrea and learning about the um you know what the situation was actually, and as far as we know, but I don't know if we actually any know any of us really know exactly what's going on, the the upper levels, but we know enough now that if we get together and create a space where we can give each other a hand up and explore the possibility of self-actualization, homoluminosity, freedom. As long as you're in a time-space continuum, the truth is you're going to be in a matrix, but you don't have to be slave to it. Again, it's this idea of conscious and unconscious suffering. As long as you're in a body, as long as you're in 3D or in a time space dimension, you are going to be in one form of a matrix or another. This is, you know, the the cosmic agency, Gosha, that lovely woman I want to introduce. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I love her. Um, she talks about that. She did a she did an interview not too long ago with one of the ladies in the one of the uh uh Pleiadian um Pleiadian lady. Um and so you can't actually leave. But it's like that thing, you can be of this world but not be in this world but not be of it. Yes. Conscious suffering, unconscious suffering, lucid dreaming in your you can navigate your way through the matrix with the the you know the odds stacked in your favor for a change, right? Not in theirs, because you're bringing your awareness to every moment, and you are untouchable, you are untouchable when you bring that light of consciousness to every moment of your life.

Free Me Portal: Vision And Mission

Claire 1:11:16

Well, that changes the game, doesn't it? I mean, exactly. The moment you become a conscious participant in this, exactly, aware of who you are, you're no longer a pawn on the board being moved around by forces you don't understand. You know, you start to work at uh at the at the creational level, right? 100%. And and that's the purpose of the Free Me Portal in part is to hook people up with uh different, all kinds of different facilitators who are working at this level to help people remember who they are. And you know, you might be drawn to one or another, a certain kind of path or another. You might need some healing work, you might need uh mentoring, you might need there's all kinds of different um facilitators on there and different ways that you can go uh on your journey. And it just feels like coming home when you land on the website. The first time I went on there when you were creating the website, before, you know, I was uh honored to be a facilitator on there. I saw the the site and and how fun it was. Renata's super fun, you guys. She's, I mean, one of the great laughs in the world. Um, but you know, great sense of humor, uh, irreverent. Uh, and so, you know, this is it's a fun place to land. And and you go, oh, I don't feel so crazy. And as I'm saying this, I'm looking up through the window there, and these gray clouds have parted, and there is this little splotch of beautiful blue sky light coming through. And that's kind of the feeling you get, you know, you land on the site and it's beautifully done, it's graphic. I was impressed. I was like, wow, Renata created all this amazing. Uh, and and so, you know, it's and and there's an introductory video you can watch, and then you can just um explore and check out different facilitators. And if you're ready to like take a step in in consciously reclaiming your sovereignty as a full universal fractal of source who cannot be imposed upon, except for in the game when you're unconscious, right? This is a great place to go. It's gonna be uh, it's like a node of uh of power, you know, starting to pulse quietly in the universe.

Renata 1:13:39

Oh, thank you. I love that. And I think this is a very appropriate time to announce that uh you, my dear, have graciously agreed to be the spokesperson for Freemi Portal. And I could not be more thrilled and uh honored, and oh, it's gonna be so great. I'm just I'm just so excited. Uh, it's it's such a natural fit for you. Um, you know, well, thank you. I mean and uh, you know, if I had created if I've been creating it for you in mind, I don't think it would have been a closer fit. So I'm honored. Subconsciously, somewhere in the ethers, we met with and I went, oh, okay.

Claire 1:14:25

Well, it's the most natural thing in the world, right? I mean, just as you felt compelled to create that platform, because it's what you do when you when when you have the resources that you have, with all of your experience, all of your wealth of uh experience and the richness of your own journey, I mean, emotionally, just it just in terms of your actual life experience, but also the emotional landscape of that experience and everything you've been through, how deep down you went into the dark, into the shadow is how high you can rise to, you know. So, I mean, when you have that kind of life experience and the um spiritual gifts that you have in addition, um, you know, it just is natural to um to want to give to other people and uh help people find themselves, right? Uh, because that's all we're doing is just trying to remember who we are and activate those spiritual gifts that are ours uh naturally. And so you create a space where where more and more people can come and that can happen by hooking them up with all of these different frequencies of facilitators, too, you know. Exactly. So I mean, from my perspective, it's like, well, it's just like falling off a log to to be a spokesperson for the Freme Portal. I'm like, well, of course, what else is there to do? This is this is why we're here.

Renata 1:15:55

This is it, baby. This is it. No, a hundred percent. And and I just as you're saying that, I I I want to underscore the the beauty of the of the rose model in this unfolding and coming back because sure I've done a lot of work, but and I've had a lot of shit go down. It hasn't been a horrid time, but it's okay. I'm a happy camper because I chose all of that and I'm good with it because it's made me who I am today, and I thank every single person that gave me a hard time because they played a role, and they played a very good role in giving me that hard time because I wouldn't have been able to learn otherwise. So I'm very grateful, but ultimately I've learned the most, believe it or not, from all of the work I've done with others as a facilitator because they allow me to see their shadow, their darkness, their um dis ease. And I've had to like, oh, okay, so how do I deal with this? How do I deal with? I mean, there isn't much that I haven't heard, right? And and these aren't necessarily my uh experiences, but I've had to become as a shaman become one with that person as they go through those things. And they are deeply, deeply, deeply painful and and you know, horrific things that that some some people that I've worked with have gone through. And so as you know, as in the Law of One, you know, our beloved uh Ra. Um, and you know, we we don't we don't take it as gospel, we don't take anything as gospel, even the gospel, right? Uh but they do say they always say teachings, learnings, which I I love that in Ra because you're never just a teacher, you're always learning. So I'm so grateful to every single person that I've been able to facilitate this process with because I've had to take the journey with them, or they've allowed me to take the journey with them, and they've allowed me into their hearts and into their private lives and into their into their sanctum sanctorum, you know, of the heart. And and um that has given me the breadth of experience to then give that back again. Right. So it's that it's that expansion, contraction, that you know, the gift that keeps on giving. And you know, so so it's a beautiful thing. It's a natural um a natural uh progression when uh when you begin to to facilitate that you learn more and then you can facilitate more and then you can learn more, and it doesn't end, right? It doesn't end ever, ever, ever, ever.

Sovereignty, Zero Point, And Remembering

Claire 1:19:03

Well, you know, um I had the images you were speaking just then of the heart again, and how you know, um I think it's uh pretty common knowledge now that the heart is not a pump, right? The the heart is a vortexer of the blood, and technically or theoretically, um the heart uh doesn't wear out, it's not a pump, it's not gonna get tired of pumping, right? The vortexer of blood that makes all of these different individual vortexes that communicate with every part of the body. That's like another thing that blows me away. Um, but you know, um we are these toroidal, and the heart is creating this toroidal field around us, right? And and this is the zero point, right? The heart as the zero point, us as the zero point, uh at the center of our field is a zero point, and that's where the infinite energy comes from. Infinite possibility, yes, and that's the gift that keeps on giving, right? It's like when you start to harness that yourself, not because you have intellectual knowledge about something, but because you have released the heaviness, uh, let go of uh believing in a limitation as who you are, and remembered, started to remember who you who you are and what you're here to bring, you start to access that zero point energy, that oh the awareness of that infinite, you know, toroidal field all around. And then all of the beliefs about death, about suffering and decline, uh, about uh the inevitability of our demise, you know, they kind of go up in smoke, right? And and I'm not talking about, you know, physical immortality or anything, although, you know, I mean I think out there in the universe, out there in the galaxy, there are lifespans that are far, far, far longer than this one.

Renata 1:21:13

Ours should be.

Claire 1:21:14

We have been so compromised, right? But if only we could start to remember that that is the truth here. This zero point is right here in the the within the depth of the heart, you know. And when we activate that principle in life, which is what you're doing, which is what I'm attempting to do, which is what all the facilitators on the Freedme Portal are here to like help you remember, remember, remember, we are infinite. This is where it's coming from, right? The uh the rest of it is just a story, it's a very convincing multi, multi-uh millennial psyop.

Renata 1:21:53

Yeah, you know, and and and and and at at the you know, at the chance of sounding a little uh, you know, irreverent. And that stuff you ain't gonna learn a Juilliard or U of T. Right. No shit. You gotta come to Freemi Portal if you want to learn that stuff, right? That's not that's not, and so you and I, we had to go to our little Juilliards and we had to go to our U of T and we had to do all of our, you know, to real not currently taught in school.

Claire 1:22:21

The most important uh knowledge, wisdom is not currently taught in school. Although if our friend Teresa has anything to do with it, uh it won't be long. All the power to Teresa. Yeah, we have some amazing friends. Teresa was in the gray space too. She's an educator. And you know, I mean, look, everything has to change, guys, right? All the systems are collapsing and and new system, new uh, well, system is maybe not the right word, new things are being born right alongside those things that are collapsing that are representative of the frequency that we're entering into now. So that's why we just encourage everyone to visit the Free Me Portal and uh and remember that that me is free.

Renata 1:23:04

Yes, me is free. And also if you would like to be a facilitator, if you want to offer right your beautiful gifts, um this is uh this is the place. Like come on down, you know. That's right.

Claire 1:23:18

Get in touch with Renata. All of the information.

Renata 1:23:22

Yeah, no, we're gonna, we're gonna, I'm gonna set you up with your own email, my dear.

Claire 1:23:26

Oh good. Surprise!

Renata 1:23:32

Uh and uh yeah, no, please, Billy, please, please, please. The more of us that are there, and um, you know, I'm also brainstorming. I think I brought this up in our group. I'm I'm kind of brainstorming having like um for those who are just you know on the periphery going, just they just want to dip their toe in. Don't necessarily, it's like, whoa, okay, this stuff is like real. I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I but I know on the other hand, I know that you know what's going on, there's something wrong with this picture. So I I'm and maybe you and I can can further brainstorm this or work together on this, but I want to set up a sort of a a free um you know, half hour um uh chat that you can have with uh a facilitator or with someone who is a volunteer. So for example, not everyone is going to be a facilitator, like but let's say, for example, those uh some of the people uh that you and I know that are you know have uh advanced knowledge, let's just say, right, might be willing to offer 15, 20 minutes, half an hour of their time once a week to chat with someone, just say, hey, yeah, you're not crazy. You know, okay. Just tell me what you're feeling and you know, let me hear you, and without any judgment and uh and and with uh perhaps some uh suggestions of where they might be interested might uh places that might be of interest to them to go further and explore, right? It may not be uh jumping into having a session with Erica and finding out that you were in the knockoff, right? Yeah, that we'll take that one step at a time. But you may want to explore, you know, getting rid of the interference and dissolving the the resistance and getting a unity bubble. You may want to do Claire's course, you know, on on uh get finding out what the matrix is and uh working your way through it. And um so anyway, there's there's gonna be all kinds of things to that that we're going to develop together, and um, because we're we're gonna try to reach out to everyone that needs that needs this. Because as you say, and as you very well know, 2026 is gonna be a pivotal year when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Claire 1:26:07

Yeah, absolutely.

Renata 1:26:09

Yeah, and and uh people need a place to be able to land. And yeah, and let's hope soft place to land soft place to land and and not be left out there going, what the hell is going on? Uh and let's hope that uh you know we get a hands up uh uh or leg up, what is it, leg up from some some others who you know have more prominent positions um in the community. And uh, but you know, I trust that it's going to reach exactly who it needs to reach when it needs to reach it, uh reach them. And uh we're we're gonna be good, Claire. We're gonna be really good. Oh, yeah, yeah. I trust that too.

Claire 1:26:47

Well, Renata, before we uh wrap things up, you've got a new volume of poetry that's oh yeah, that's as if you didn't have enough going on. Um tell tell us about that poetry and the the Love in the Galaxy series that you're also working on. This is a really intriguing topic. Can you touch on that?

Poetry, Wise Love, And Homo Luminous

Renata 1:27:09

Absolutely. Well, um the poetry uh was written uh and there's a swack more that I haven't but most of it I started writing in about 2005, uh 2003, 2005. And it became actually I would I was sitting down, you know, Toronto Hazels and Lane's, you know, you know that that that mall, Hazels and Lane's people know Oh yeah, and they used to have a cafe downstairs and I would go there because uh the only thing I could afford when I was a student was like a bagel and a coffee for lunch. And uh, you know, but I didn't want to go to like the cafeteria and the university because that was just like too gauche. So I I just I went to the poshiest place I could go for a coffee and a bagel, which All I could afford. But at least it was this environment where it was far away from the faculty and that that whole zeitgeist. And uh, you know, it was another zeitgeist, but it was a you know a very peaceful place. And I just I remember pulling out, I was just gonna write some notes of what I needed to do that day, and I started to write like this poetry started coming out. This who the hell is talking? And then I realized it took about a a couple of years for this to develop, but I thought, okay, I'm gonna go with it. And I realized that if I was processing something, like if some shit went down and I was like having a crappy day or some, you know, relationship went sideways or whatever, I could sit down and this voice would come out and it would describe exactly what was going on, and there was there would be no way that in my in my 3D brain that I would be able to write that. There's just no way. No way. If you if you tied me to a chair and held me at gunpoint, there is no way that I would be able to create that. It had to come from a place where I just let go and let my hand go. And and so I realized that this was part of my soul speaking to me, my my greater self speaking to me, but and it was a way for me to process um what was going on in the 3D world. And I always felt better after I wrote it out. So this became um a thing. And and then from like 2000 to 2010, I started to feel into like there's a couple of uh stanzas on Romeo and Juliet, you know, um Gilbert Osmond, uh, you know, some literary works, um, etc. etc. It was just the feeling there's a poem about Sylvia Plath, you know, uh, but mostly it's about um the human attachment in love and in relationships. Also, there's you know, stanzas about my daughter and how motherhood affected me and you know how I felt about it at the time, and uh, you know, even even stuff like I wish that my daughter was able to give her her own name because she's not that energy that the name that I gave her to that's not her, she's just so much more than that, right? But you're bound by the convention and by the you know this kind of thing. So that collection, I I was impulsed a couple of months ago to uh polish and to write literary synopses for just to make it easier for people to understand what the heck I'm talking about in each one of those. It's just just easier. You have to guess, just read the damn thing. And uh, and I'm using that as a springboard um to further explore human attachment and love and galactic love and wise love. Because uh Dr. Andrea Martin, who is you you would know her from her channel uh Growing Up Alien, um she and her husband Ika have a galactic relationship. They are husband and wife, even though he is in a different dimension, and they communicate telepathically and uh uh telepathically, I should say it's the actual word, tele empathy, not telematic. Tele empathically empathy.

Claire 1:31:58

Okay, and right about now, some people are going, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. Oh, yeah, interdimensional husband, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Renata 1:32:10

Yeah, that file that in the same chapter is that that knockblop in the SSP stuff. Yeah, I I get it. The point is there is no time. We are all here at the same time, different dimensions, having relationships. Ultimately, our exploration is always going to be in relationships. And you know, like that movie Um Julia Roberts, Eat Pre Love, right? Remember the opening dialogue? She's talking about her friend who is uh, you know, um a therapist or something, and she said, doesn't matter all the heartbreak that you know she's dealing with these refugees that you know have been through untold uh horrors, you know, dying on boats and everything. And she says, without a you know, without a shadow of a doubt, absolutely every single conversation eventually comes down to you know that guy on the boat, he don't like me no more. Yeah, it all comes down to love because we are love and we are uh we are complete in ourselves, but we complete ourselves through love relationships and we express ourselves through love relationships. And I believe, uh, as does Dr. Andrea, that humanity has been shortchanged and manipulated in that area, as does Lee, uh, in a huge way, so that we can't have conscious relationships. So we do suffer unconsciously in our human relationships because humans have been programmed to be in polar sides. So men have been programmed to be a certain way, women have been programmed to be a certain way, and those ways they don't meet. So the exploration that I want to undergo here is to check in and have a very um sobering look at relationships in the 3D, relationships in um human uh relationships and how uh they have been tampered with on a gross scale and compare them to the philosophies and and the practices of wise love in a more evolved paradigm. So, how is a relationship viewed in an evolved paradigm where there hasn't been the interference?

Claire 1:34:38

Yes, yes. Well, you know, my teacher um uh Satyvati would uh would always talk about ethical relationship. He said, you know, the only um relationship that we can have right now that is the most evolved we can be right now is to be in an ethical relationship. In other words, where both parties recognize that the purpose of relationship is growth. Um, you know, where when as long as we are supporting each other's growth and we're not playing games and we're transparent, then we're in a right relationship. Whether that relationship lasts or is of a moment, you know, is secondary. Uh, you know, that that's the only way that we can grow out of the imposition of, you know, this idea that you've got one true love, or when you get together, you've got to stay together forever, or you know, these sort of inherited uh or unexamined assumptions that we have about relationship, right? So and you know, we are where we are in our evolution and in our emotional um understandings uh or or inner standings. Um, and and so uh most people are healing from trauma of one kind or another. So we have to recognize that our relationships are going to be colored by that. And exactly that's the ethical approach, is to is to admit that.

Renata 1:36:12

And you you hit the nail right on the head, Claire, because that's the last thing that I'd like to share. And uh, I mean, aside from that series that I'm doing with uh on on the uh conscious uh relationships, uh, et cetera, et cetera, galactic uh earth love and galactic love. I'm also working on a course, an offering that is an exploration of the attainment of homoluminous. So, what is homoluminous? What is that? That's not a uh genetic replacement. Yes. Homoluminous is the, and I wrote it down just to make sure I didn't mess it up, is a functional state of human consciousness with biological, emotional, cognitive, and ethical systems where they all come into coherence.

Claire 1:37:12

Yeah, that makes total sense.

Renata 1:37:14

So I'm kind of poking at the bear from all kinds of different Yeah, yeah.

Claire 1:37:18

I love that because you know, we could say that Homo sapiens, uh, where we've been is is a distorted or deformed version of um what we really are, right? Homo luminous is the revelation of the truth of what we are, isn't it?

Renata 1:37:38

Back to who we truly are, back to the light, revealing it's not like you know, it's it's never about putting on a new outfit, it's about peeling off the layers of the onion that that don't need to be there anymore until you reveal the truth, the kernel of the essence, which is the all-pervasive beauty, grace, joy, love that is our birthright and essence.

Claire 1:38:08

Yeah, that's it. Wow, I don't know, mic drop on that one. Wow, uh epic conversation in the gray space. Um you know, there's so many things to explore. Uh yeah, it's such a privilege having you here.

Next Steps, Invitations, And Closing

Renata 1:38:29

Um mutual, I'm sure.

Claire 1:38:32

I'm sure. Well, and you know, let's keep talking. Well, that's why you and I are gonna know that. Like, you know, as things I'm gonna roll up your place. Yeah, roll up and as things progress with the freemi portal and everything. We'll we'll keep talking and and have you come back on and uh yeah, see where we're at with stuff.

Renata 1:38:57

And and you're gonna be doing a lot of that all over the place.

Claire 1:39:00

And I can't wait because you Yeah, well, guys, you know, you'll see me um talking about the Freemi portal on my Instagram and all of that stuff. Um yeah, so I hope you come in, uh stop by, stop by the portal, yeah, and uh and check it out and check out all of uh Renata's links in the notes and uh and the important work that she's doing. Uh if you feel a connection with her, uh you want to uh explore what she does, get get yourself a unity bubble and uh um yeah, and and uh explore her offerings. Thank you so much, Renata, for being here.

Renata 1:39:38

Thank you. Thank you, thank you. With so much grace in my heart.

Claire 1:39:43

I can feel that.

Renata 1:39:45

Yes, thank you so so much. Okay, till next time.

Claire 1:39:48

Yeah.

Renata 1:39:48

See you on the other side, it's good things. Right on.