Home As A Quantum Mirror Of Becoming

Our living space is a quantum mirror of consciousness -- and we can co-create with it.

In this expansive conversation, Claire speaks with Feng Shui practitioner Claudine Florens about her evolution from clearing karmic lines and “negative vortexes” to working at a creational, multidimensional level with space.

Claudine shares how losing 80% of her hearing initiated her spiritual path and ultimately led her from law into energy work. What began as a rule-based system that appealed to her legal mind has transformed into something far more sovereign: a practice rooted in frequency, intention, and conscious co-creation.

Together, they explore:

• Why Feng Shui is not about superstition or rigid rules
• The shift from “fixing” low vibrations to tuning into higher potentials
• How two people can live in the same house and experience different realities
• Programming objects with intention (and the neuroscience behind it)
• Feng Shui as a bridge between 3D and 5D consciousness
• The power of creating energetic containers for what you wish to call in

This episode is a reminder that rituals only hold power because you do. You are the creator.

Practical Takeaway:
Clear one drawer. Create space for something you want to welcome in. Anchor the frequency physically.

Claudine Florens is a Feng Shui consultant working at the intersection of spatial design, consciousness, and energetic alignment. She helps women reconnect with their sovereignty by transforming their homes into spaces that mirror — and amplify — their true frequency. Blending intuitive guidance with classical principles and vibrational work, Claudine supports each woman in embodying her next-level identity and creating environments that sustain her expansion, clarity, and desires.

Instagram: @upflowfengshui

Read the Blog: From Fixing to Flowing

Transcript

Claire 0:03

Welcome to the Grace Space, a transmission for the sovereign soul.

Claudine 0:21

I'd done everything I was supposed to. I studied hard, I became a lawyer, I got married, I had children, and then I lost my hearing. So everything collapsed. And at first I thought it was very, very unfair. Um the collapsing of my hearing meant the collapse of my identity, and it made me question everything, um, my choices, my path. And I think that's what truly puts you on a spiritual path, really, when you start asking, who am I really? Um, so at first I was desperately looking for um for an external solution. Um, I was convinced someone out there would be able to heal me. And I think that's about the period when we met. Uh maybe a bit a bit later. Um so yeah, over the years I realized that no one could heal me, and I was uh the only one who could do that.

Guest Introduction: Claudine’s Path

Hearing Loss And Identity Collapse

Claire 1:34

Hey everyone, real quick before we begin, if this content matters to you, you're warmly invited to subscribe to this channel, to like this video, to leave a comment, or all three. I read all the comments, and your engagement is really important because when you engage, it tells YouTube to push this content out to more people who would find value in it. Now that I understand this, I engage a lot more with the channels that are important to me because I know it really matters. Thanks for listening. Here we go. Welcome back to the Grace Space. Today's episode is a journey into the unseen architecture of our lives, our homes, our choices, our power to shape reality. My guest is Claudine Florence of Upflow Feng Shui. She is, you're gonna see, a luminous presence who brings a deeply intuitive creational approach to working with space. Claudine and I first met years ago when she attended one of my retreats. And at the time, she was just beginning her work with Feng Shui after a life-altering shift that redirected her from a career in law to a deeper calling. And you're gonna hear the story of what happened there. Since then, she's grown a devoted international following and developed a truly sovereign approach to energy and home and harmony in your space. In our conversation, we explored the subtle shift from fixing our spaces according to external rules to consciously co-creating with them as living fields of potential. It's amazing. Claudine uh speaks of tapping into the higher dimensional frequency of a house, uh, of how two people can live in the same space and experience completely different realities based on what level they're accessing and how our homes reflect our inner landscapes and who we are becoming. We also touched on superstition, sovereignty, what happens when we give away our power to rituals or systems or formulas and forgetting that we are, in fact, the source. So, this episode is an invitation to come home in a new way, to remember that your space is not separate from you, but an extension of your own consciousness and being and a collaborator in your unfolding. Here we go. Claudine, I'm so uh grateful and happy to have you here. Uh, welcome to the Gray Space. I feel personally connected to your journey because I I kind of witnessed it from the beginning of your feng shui journey when you came to one of my retreats in the south of France. That's how we met. And it's been such a joy to watch the evolution of your voice, your mission, your your business, your artful way of working with space, to see all of that emerge and this huge following on Instagram and like, oh, this is just amazing. And so today I want to explore not just what feng shui is, but who you've become through it and how your work invites us into a deeper understanding of our relationship with our environment and and and our multidimensional nature and the multidimensional effect of environment on us? How does that sound? It sounds amazing. Well, let's begin with the um, let's just dive right in with the the deeper current. What do you what truth do you feel that you're here to awaken in other people through your work with space and energy?

Claudine 5:40

So to me, feng shui is a tool um that can help us anchor in physical reality what we're aiming um to become. We're aiming for more spirituality, more love, uh, more abundance in every part of the every part of life. And to me, feng shui is really a tool to anchor all this in in the matter, if you like, in physical reality. I love that. So that's that's how I see feng shui.

Claire 6:23

So um let let's talk about how this all happened. Because when I met you, you you had been a lawyer. Yes. And everyone, Claudine has the most beautiful, charming accent because you have your background is that you're Welsh, but you live in France, and so you speak perfect French, and but you have a you have a Welsh accent when you speak English and you live in France, right? Yes. So you were a lawyer, and when I met you, you were transitioning into Feng Shui. How did that all happen?

Claudine 7:06

Yes, so um when I had my first uh child, my first daughter, uh, I was a lawyer. Um, I just started my career really. And I started hearing I started hearing uh less and less. I I lost uh 50% of my hearing during my pregnancy. And then when she was born, it continued and I lost about 80% of my hearing. So now I have hearing aids, uh, which work really well. Um, but that stopped me from prevented me from uh continuing my law career because I couldn't hear properly uh in court uh because of the general noise uh in court. So it was kind of an initiation. It wasn't easy, it was incredibly hard. Um and it came at the same moment as my first child, so those first years were really heavy and confusing. Um I'd done everything I was supposed to. I studied hard, I became a lawyer, I got married, I had children, and then I lost my hearing. So everything collapsed. And at first I thought it was very, very unfair. Um, the collapsing of my hearing meant the collapse of my identity, and it made me question everything, um, my choices, my path. And I think that's what truly puts you on a spiritual path, really, when you start asking, who am I really? Um so at first I was desperately looking for um for an external solution. Um, I was convinced someone out there would be able to heal me. And I think that's about the period when we met, uh, maybe a bit a bit later. Um so yeah, over the years I realized that no one could heal me, and I was uh the only one who could do that. So it was really empowering, really empowering. And now I really see the hearing loss as a gift. Um I'm ready to release it now, but I'm also ready to live with it because it's part of me now.

Claire 9:53

Wow, that really is that's the whole hero's journey in there. So how did you get attracted to feng shui? Had you did you know anything about it? How did that come into your life?

Claudine 10:11

So I discovered feng shui while I was remodeling my house um because the architect offered to feng shui the plants, and I felt an immediate spark of interest. I took um a short course um online just to understand feng shui better, and at first it was purely intellectual, um, because feng shui is a complex and structured um uh way of energy system, really, and uh that's what really appeared appealed to my legal mind. Um, it resembles law a lot. So there are rules, yeah, there are rules, uh, there's a system and you apply it. And it came as a relief, honestly, because I was trying to get into spiritual practices, uh, but everything felt quite difficult at the time. It was difficult to still my mind, to meditate, and to keep thinking positively. And with Feng Shui, I could simply move furniture, uh, pin a picture to a wall, and that I could do. It was physical, and that's what I really liked about it. Um, and when I started doing that, moving stuff around, uh, activating some areas of my home, I started seeing results. Um, money flowed in more easily, opportunities appeared out of nowhere, uh, and something was definitely happening. So that's when I decided to jump into a certification program and really dive deep into feng shui. At first it was for me, really. Uh, I just really wanted to understand it better. And after a while, I was just talking feng shui 24-7, like literally to all my friends. Um, and that's when one of my friends said, Why don't you just do it for other people? And why don't you make a career out of it? So at first I hesitated, of course, and I was doing it for my friends at first, and then the friends of friends, and that's when I understood I could really make something out of this. Um, and also it's the only thing that really sparked something in me. Because I mean, when I lost my hearing, it was really difficult, difficult times. And I mean, I can I can say uh I went through a kind of depression. Um and Feng Shui really sparked something in me. So that's that's when I decided to to follow that path as a career and uh start a business.

Claire 13:16

So do you think, I mean, is there a thread maybe from childhood or even before this lifetime that you feel like you've always carried related to harmony and space and beauty?

Claudine 13:27

Well, it's funny because once I started my certification, I went through old books and old files, and I found a file that I'd completely forgotten about where I'd actually feng shuied my old apartment. Kidding. And I mean, it wasn't really all right. It was mostly wrong because I had I hadn't understood everything at the time, but I'd always been attracted to it. I see that now. I found some old books, and my mother also used to tell me about it, and so it's always been in the background, and I'm sure, yeah, maybe in another life I was some kind of function energy reader.

Claire 14:18

Harmonizer of spaces, yeah. Yes. Well, um, how did losing your hearing affect your intuitive capacities or your way of listening to energy or space? Did you know it is there any correlation there?

Claudine 14:35

Um yes, obviously. Um when it goes silent on the outside, you have to come back to the to what's going on inside. Um so it helped me connect more to my to the feelings in my body, because I never used to listen to my body. It was just like do do do action all the time. And when I lost my hearing, I started going inwards to listen to what my body was saying, to what the energy was saying around me, to Yeah, just to listen, listen to the energy.

Claire 15:27

Yeah. That's I mean, is it's ironic, isn't it? Yeah, it is your listening improves when you after you've lost your hearing. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So that tells us that that uh hearing or listening are multi-dimension is a multidimensional skill or multidimensional capacity, I guess we could say. Yeah. So you've built this beautiful devoted following. What do you think people are really seeking when they come to you for feng shui?

Social Media, Visibility, And Alignment

Claudine 16:01

So social media was it was a funny experience really, because I started it basically because somebody told me I had to have an Instagram page that just the way you have a website and it was more serious. And if I wasn't on Instagram, like it wasn't serious. So okay, I opened up the Instagram page. And after a while, people were like, Oh, yeah, you need to post videos about how you explain Feng Shui because you explain it so well and in a down-to-earth manner. So I started posting videos, and I mean it was a real challenge, and I think that helped me grow a lot because I worked on my visibility blocks and I was finally ready to be seen. And it's funny because at first I I opened my business as I would my my law firm. You know, I had to have a proper office and a proper website and proper cards to give away, and everything that was posted on my Instagram had to be super serious. And I was kind of trying to convince people um that feng shui could help them, uh basically as it helped me. I was in this savior mode. Uh, and I've totally outgrown that identity now. So now I'm really posting more about um what I actually believe in, the quantum field and consciousness, and it's broader than feng shui. You know, so Instagram has really helped me find my own identity. And I think that's to come back to your question, uh, that's what people follow. I don't think I mean people follow energy. So when they follow someone in on Instagram, they just stop and watch your video because something pulled them in energetically. So I think the truth and the alignment of what I'm sharing is what makes people stop. Uh and I also think that like me, feng shui is um is a practical way. Like it's it's it's spiritual, but you can physically understand it. So I think that's what attracts people to feng shui.

Claire 18:54

It's really positive to hear you say something uh about social media that is uplifting like that. You know, I mean, like to hear you say that, you know, having an Instagram channel helped you find yourself and you know, um, helped you work out questions with regard to visibility and identity and all of that. Because I mean, I think just a little sidebar, you know, I mean, I think uh social media can serve that positive purpose that will help you um, you know, hue towards authenticity if that is your intention, uh, and and allow yourself to be seen as you are, um, instead of only having, you know, uh negative connotations the way that that it often does. So, you know, like anything, it's a double-edged sword, and anything can be used for our upliftment and our evolution or the the contrary. So it's great to hear you say that. And but you know, and I've watched many of your videos, and there is something um that is, yeah, the authenticity of what you're doing at the core of it, they're also very beautiful and full of really, you know, practical information. You know, I always watch them all the way because I'm like, I I want to know. You know. Thank you. Well, and you know, you're in a beautiful environment, you're beautiful. What you're sharing is, you know, you can feel your enthusiasm and your passion for it. Um, but I love what you're saying about how, you know, it's really expanded, you know, like you've gone beyond just the the feng shui tips, you know, and the even though that stuff is awesome, you know, it it's almost like the being a practitioner has um brought you into a broader field of who you are really are and who you are becoming and remembering what you are remembering, you know, through the through the art of feng shui. So what are some of the most common energetic blockages that you see in people's homes and how do those blockages reflect inner states?

Claudine 21:10

Um well, each home is different, obviously. Um most of the time, the first thing I look at is the entrance. Uh I mean in my videos, I oh um, I'm always talking about the entrance, the entryway to the door, because in Feng Shui it's just so important. It's called the mouth of qi. So it's literally the mouth of energy. It's how you welcome energy into your life. So most of the times, people who come to me don't have a proper entrance, or it's hidden somewhere, it's hidden at the back of the building, um, there's no light, it's small. So basically, they're cutting themselves off from energy. Energy right from the start, if you like, right from the entrance. So that's the first thing I address as a function consultant.

Claire 22:10

That's fascinating. So do you think that that is a reflection of our um ability or inability to receive energy, to allow good things into our lives? Is it a reflection of self-worth in some on some deep down level?

Claudine 22:29

Yes, because feng shui is really a tool again for aligning the outer world to the inner world and vice versa. Um so if we if we do a lot in spiritual and personal growth, uh in the spiritual growth sphere, we meditate, we journal, uh, we identify patterns we want to release, we clarify what we want to call in. Um but sometimes it's really hard to let them in and to hold them, uh, to anchor those intentions in daily life. So you'll have a powerful meditation one day or during a retreat, and then the next day real life happens, work, kids, stress, other people's energy, and it fades, the intention fades. So for me, feng shui is a bridge, it's a tool that helps you uh pull your inner work into the physical realm so that it doesn't just stay uh in your journal, it doesn't stay floating somewhere in the quantum field as a possible timeline, whatever you want to call it. Um, when you shift your home, you create a physical anchor for the frequency you're trying to stabilize. Um, so your environment becomes a reminder of the direction you want to grow towards. And before you've done the feng shui work, looking at the actual uh state of the house also helps you um, as you say, helps you see the blockages that you might not be conscious of. So as you say, if the entrance is small or cluttered, then you'll s it will reveal that you're not letting it in. You're not letting the energy in. Um if it's your bedroom that's cluttered or the bed is against the wall, um, or maybe the paintings in the bedroom are not reflecting what you want to attract uh in your relationship, then that's something else you can look at and then work on inward like with inner work. To me, they they both they go together because yes, I do feng shui, but I also do meditations and inner work. So they go together. The feng shui helps me see it, work on it, and then anchor it.

Homes As Mirrors And Outgrowing Spaces

Claire 25:12

Wow. That's amazing. Well, and when you think about it, like if you walking into somebody's home is always incredibly revealing. You get an immediate energetic hit from the space that people live in. When because it's different from your space, right? And and so it's if you're paying attention and you're open to it, you you can learn a lot about people from the first time you enter their space. But we've we tend to forget about our own space because we're so used to it, you know. Um, and I often have used a metaphor over the years of um, you know, when you when you leave your childhood home and you go out into the world, if you go off to university or whatever, and then you come back after some time has passed, you have such a different experience of the space. You notice things that you've never noticed before. You you look at wallpaper and you're like, what? That wallpaper is hideous, or that's been there my whole life, or you know, you you see clutter, you you see things that you couldn't see before in the space. And it's true, you know, it it is such a mirror of the self.

Claudine 26:31

Yes, and that's why you outgrow places, as you say. When you go back to your your childhood home, you see that you've you've outgrown it. That room is no longer, it it no longer reflects your personality, your identity. And so you feel like changing it, like repainting, renovating, changing things around because it no longer resonates. So that's what you do with Feng Shui. You look at your house, you look at what you at who you want to be, who you are, but who you're remembering to be, and you see that it's it's no longer um resonating. So that's when you actually it's funny because my clients when they feng shui they home, a few months later they message me and they say, Oh, um, something happened and um I've I've had this new opportunity and we're moving house. And yeah, it's not surprising, it never surprises me because they've outgrown it. They did the work they had to do in that house, and now that they've seen they've seen the blockages, they've undone the block blockages, um, now they no longer need to live there. And something comes up and they move, or something comes up and they renovate completely. Um, but there's always something that comes up and it it changes everything. I mean, I can see that for me. When I started Feng Shui, I was in a certain house, and I I mean I was I thought I was quite happy there, but now when I go back to it, because now somebody else I know lives there, when I go in, it's like I couldn't live here anymore. It's just not it's not me anymore. And now I'm in this new house that I've feng shui and it's really supported me, but I can see that I've already outgrown it and I'm already on to a new project which will be even better. Um so yeah, it's funny how that works.

From Fixing To Co‑Creation

Claire 28:49

It's a total metaphor, isn't it? It's how we we keep you know shedding layers of the the the personal self that aren't necessarily that that are you know there for us to to develop and grow through, but but eventually we have to let them go. And as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking, oh my God, because right now I'm in my my childhood home. Uh I mean, my I I lived here when I was an adolescent in high school. I've come back home to Florida and I'm this is, you know, I consider it my mom's house, even though it's my it's my house too. It's the house I've always come back to over the years, you know, since I was 13 years old. And I'm living and sleeping for the time being in my old bedroom, you know, and that bedroom is doesn't look the way that it did when I was in high school. My mom has updated the house numbers of times. We were hit by hurricanes, everything had to be redone and renovated and all that stuff over the years. So there have been changes, but I I'm definitely aware. I'm like, I'm gonna have to do something about this, I'm gonna have to do something about that, you know. Um, I didn't choose this art, you know, what is you know, uh this that's that's old now, that needs to move, you know. And so I'm super aware of the the energetics of the space and like, okay, well, what does this represent in in my life? Because um, as I'll just, you know, uh share with the the listeners and the audience that a couple years ago you helped me out of the kindness of your heart. And I think you were launching things too, and you were looking for projects and and you you kindly offered to work on uh my house in France. And you know, that was a big space, you know, it was a big house, and there was big land, there was, you know, big energy. Uh, and you did a clearing of the whole place, you know, of of the land mostly. And you did work on the buildings too, but it was mostly the the land itself. And um, and shortly thereafter, you know, the the proverbial doo-doo hit the fan. And um, and and and I'm I'm sure that the work that you did on the space helped me come into alignment with what I knew that I needed to deal with and face. Uh, and then, you know, the wheels started turning and my whole life changed. And um I left that house eventually after, you know, a hiccup, which you and I talked about, and you know, you did some more clearing, and within that year, the house finally sold to the people who own it now. And uh, they've done wonderful things with it. I've been back there, I've been back there with my husband, even though we separated and reimagined our relationship. You know, we were able to come back into that space and see all of these changes that we had dreamed about uh together, see them actually done, but not by us, by the next people. So I'm just I'm just uh like taking in the scope of you know the how your work influenced my life and my evolution. Can we go back and talk about some of the things, if you remember, I could probably refresh your memory too, but like some of the things that you um that you worked on on our property, like with my relationship to the land, the karmic lines, the the um the vortexes, all of that stuff that people might not know about.

Claudine 32:45

Yes, we can go back into that. However, I've also evolved in my practice because um, yes, I met you when I was deeply into um karmic lines and negative vortexes and the memory of the land. But I was still in fixing mode. So I would clear and people would definitely feel the benefits, uh, but it was quite heavy work um for me energetically because I was tuning into vibrations that were so much lower than my own vibration, and you do dive deep into you can say negative vibration, low vibe, let's say low vibrations. Um and so I used to believe the only way to work with a house and the land was to fix everything that happened, so clear the memories, bring light, etc. Um, so clear, cure, neutralize, remove, repair the bad energy. So my whole focus was on solving what was wrong with the space. So I was really focusing on the wrong, because that's how I that's what I was used to. I mean, I'm a lawyer, so I fix problems, you know, I find solutions to problems and I fix the problems. So over time my understanding shifted completely. Um, because now I see that a home doesn't need to be fixed for us to actually thrive in it. Um because I no longer see us as victims of lower vibrations. Um I see now that we can choose the frequency we tune into. Um so two people can live in the same home and have completely different experiences simply because they're not resonating with the same layer of the field. Do you interesting? Wow, that's so So at the time it helped you because I was tuning in to probably what you were feeling from the field, from the space, from the land, and I was tuning in to something that you needed to um acknowledge and see and release, and that's why it helped you. Do you understand? Yeah. Um so yes, houses um they have a memory, they have an essence, but we're constantly also co-creating with it. That's what I see now that I didn't see before. Um, so we bring our own consciousness, our own intentions, our own identity to the place, and we can raise the frequency of the home in response to the inner work. So now the lower layers have become some kind of irrelevant because I don't match them anymore, and that's how I try to work with my clients now. Do you see what I mean?

Claire 36:05

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I love, I mean, it's I love what you said about, you know, now you're working at a creational level, co-creational level with the environment instead of trying to cure the environment. And yeah, that's that is um a whole different paradigm.

Claudine 36:23

Exactly. And I feel so much better for it, and the work has become so much lighter for me also. Um yeah, it's just a beautiful way of practicing Feng Shui. Um, not to be in fixing mode all the time, but really be in the co-creation all the time.

Claire 36:46

Well, because there's a rightness to where we are and where where we've chosen to be. There's always a reason, you know. I mean, there's no mistake in the universe. And so there must be then um a way of working with every situation, uh, uh again, not to be in fixing mode. I don't mean a solution, but a way to uplift and harmonize wherever we are. And a lot of that has to do with our own energy field and what we're bringing and our thoughts and everything. And and then, as you say, I love what you said about anchoring in the material. You know, the actual practice of feng shui helps us to anchor those intentions in the material. But is it true then that like the there's always a way to work with whatever environment we're in?

Stabilizing Higher Frequencies At Home

Claudine 37:35

Yes, always. Um, I mean, if you've been attracted to a place, there's a reason for it. That I do believe. Um but I don't believe you've been attracted there because you need fixing or because the house needs fixing. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Claire 37:56

Um so sorry, what was your question again? Well, I mean, it you know, that there's always a way.

Claudine 38:04

There's always there's always a way, there's always a way because there's always a way to shift your own frequency. So that's what I'm working on now. Um when I teach Vontre, I create these meditations, these audios, these the kind of frequency not clearings, but frequency uh elevators. I don't know if you say that in English. Yeah. Um because to me, the way I see the quantum field, um the same place exists in an infinity of uh potential uh potentialities. Is that how you say it?

Claire 38:44

Yeah, potentialities, yeah, yeah.

Claudine 38:47

Yeah, so um what I want is to uh uh help people tap into the higher potentials of their home, you see? Because one house is physically there, but what you live in it and the energy in it um can be from very low to very high, just depending on what you decide to tune in and what you decide to create in this house. So wow. Um I often talk about um taking a lift. It's like during in the meditation, you enter the lift and you go just to a higher version of the same house. And when you come out of the lift, the the energy is higher because you've just tuned into a higher version of your house. So that's how I see the energy work in the house now. Interesting. It's yeah, it's not let's clean at the base floor. No, it's let's go up to the higher floor where it's already clean.

Claire 39:54

Right, right. So we're right in the multidimensionality. So when you're talking about the quantum level of things, is are we I know we're using different language, but that that's how I I see it. Is right, there's a version of of the house that exists in a higher dimension because of the fractal nature of us and our universe and everything. And so we can tune into different potentials, uh different um energetic spaces in which that house exists. Um and we can dwell in if you're living with somebody else, you can be dwelling in one region, uh, one dimensional space of the house, and another person can be dwelling in another depending on the different people's focus, which speaks to how much power we have to co-create with our environment. And actually, we're doing it all the time, but most people just don't realize that they are in uh a co-creative relationship with the space, with the with the dimensions. Uh, they're choosing their frequency, um, but most people are choosing it unconsciously. And so this is yet another tool that can help bring us back to a more awareness of the power that we have to uh generate uh our experience and that we are actually generating it all the time. It's just the only question is are you generating one that is uplifting and you know in accordance with the true you, the true nature of you, or is it you know a reflection of unresolved aspects, wounds and um resistances?

Claudine 41:46

Yes, yes, and that and that's why. So if you like when I'm in a hotel room or when I go to people's houses, um just a quick uh visualization and choosing the frequency I want to experience in that place is enough to have a good experience in the actual place and not be affected by lower energies. Um on the long on the long term, um that's what feng shui is for, if you like. It's to actually stabilize that higher frequency on a daily basis. Because otherwise, like every few hours, I mean for me at least, um, I would have to take five minutes, close my eyes, breathe in, and like decide to raise the frequency of the place. When you actually uh move the furniture or install it in a special way and put special paintings and crystals or whatever, it helps it helps you um anchor in that energy so that you don't have to meditate 24-7 to hold the frequency. Do you know what I mean? When it's your space, that's what feng shui is to me, is that you can actually uh use your house uh to support your own frequency. It's not you that who is influencing all the time the house so that the energy remains high. It's also the house that helps you maintain a higher level of frequency.

3D, 4D, 5D And The Role Of Feng Shui

Claire 43:27

Right. So we're actually and we're we're working with, I mean, because um this is interesting. We're actually we're talking about raising the frequency, we're elevating the space um into a into like 5D space, right? Because then we're working because in 3D, we're working with things like entropy and gravity and things that you know the tendency to to pull things down, which is not I'm not judging it, I'm just saying that's what we're dealing with, right? And entropy being the tendency. For things to disintegrate and fall apart, right? Um, and so instead of like fighting that, you create circumstances where the energy is going to flow uh differently, flow more like um uh more organically and to stay alive, right? Self-generating, self-sustaining, self-sourcing rather than subject to those forces of decay in the same way. Is that an accurate representation?

Claudine 44:37

Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned 5D, 3D. I mean, I don't know if we have the same vocabulary, but to me, for example, 3D is really um the everyday struggle, right and wrong. Um, things happen to you. Yeah, duality. Uh and then when you go into 4D, you get tools such as feng shui and other kind of tools that slowly take you to 5D. And you know, I've struggled with this notion a lot, and I finally understood because I kept thinking, but if feng shui is a 4D tool, I don't want to do feng shui anymore because I want to be in 5D and I want to live in 5D all the time. And I think that when you're in 5D all the time, when you actually choose a house, you choose a good feng shui house. You know, it's just automatic automatically drawn to you. Um so where does feng shui stand in that? To me, feng shui is really a bridge, it's the bridge between the 3D and the 5D, and it helps you sustain this 5D energy on a daily basis.

Claire 45:53

Well, this is very profound from my perspective. Because, well, but I mean, because we're in the the where we are in our uh planetary evolution and the the experience that we're going through now and what's coming, you know, we absolutely need that bridge because we've got one foot in one and one foot in the other, most people, you know. And so what's your vision for how we live going forward? You know, how how do you see the role of intentional design or energetic harmony in building the in because I don't want to say that we're doing it because it's happening, but we are also we are the creators of it, you know. So what what does this have to do with um with the the new world, the new earth, the 5D consciousness, this the crystalline space that we're moving into?

Objects, Intentions, And Programming Space

Claudine 46:53

Yes, um, so that's that's exactly the question I've been um asking myself for a few months now, and I'm really moving into a new expression of feng shui. So as I said, for a long time I was focused on the technical rules, the fixing of a space. Um but I think feng shui is really about consciousness, um, so it's about who you're becoming. And so the feng shui is really uh what can you implement in your home that sustains this new identity that brings you joy? Um so, for example, you know, all these rituals that you find in feng shui, lighting a candle or giving even offerings to the land. Um I still like that because it's fun to me. You know, I I like doing these rituals, they make me feel good. Um, but I no longer do them because I'm afraid that if I don't do them, something's going to happen. You know, I don't do them to fix anymore. Um, so I think feng shui uh 5D feng shui is that is just keeping the rituals, the rules that make you feel good, uh, that bring you joy, and not just wanting to fix all the time, just anchor, use it to anchor the high frequency, um, set your intentions, uh, hold your intentions. I mean, I love I like to activate uh objects in my home with a special, a specific intention. Um, so then I use the feng shui uh bagwa. So for example, if it's uh an intention for my career, I will choose um a blue object, a blue vase that's connected to the north and the water, and I will place it in the north of my home, but I will take three to four minutes to actually set my intention in the field of that object, of that physical object, so that it carries that intention for me 24-7 for my house, in my house. So there are all kinds of objects in my home that are carrying what I've activated and programmed them for in my home, you know, in my in the physical field around me. And so they're constantly feeding me the information that I programmed them with. Do you see what I mean? Yes, absolutely I do. They they help me remember who I am all the time.

Claire 49:41

Yeah. Well, let's expand on that because I think what you're what you're expressing here is um a fundamental shift that is happening for all of us now. And um and it's transitioning from giving our power to the outside and the outside world objects, rituals that are actually empty, you know, devoid of power. Because so, like if if we become slavish to certain rituals like lighting a candle or having to do things a certain way because feng shui says so, we're at we've actually just given our power away again to something outside of ourselves and we haven't understood the truth, which is what feng shui has been pointing you toward, and your practice has been pointing you toward, which is actually all of the power is within ourselves. And if it pleases you to do a ritual, if if you do it with consciousness, then it has power and it has meaning, but not because the ritual itself has power and meaning, but because you have power, you imbue things with meaning. And so, you know, if we lose sight of that, then we fall into empty practices and superstition and the fear that if I don't do this, bad things are gonna happen, you know. Nix, that's not where we're going. You know, where we're going is the remembering of, well, I'm the creator, right? So when I imbue something with power, significance, I do. I mean, that's what happens, right? And yes, there are rules, as you say. I mean, there are um truths in the universe, you know. Um the there's an organic weft to creation that we can come into harmony with, and that will make things flow, upflow, right? Yes, flow feng shui. But um, you know, nothing is more powerful ultimately than than our own creative power and the conscious use of that power. So what we can experience with feng shui, if I if I'm understanding you and feeling this, um it is the anchoring to use the word that you've used a number of times, really powerful word for this. The anchoring of our of our almost like touchstones of memory that that ideally point us back to ourselves and bring us back into the remembrance of our own power as creators.

A Simple Shift: Make Energetic Space

Claudine 52:28

And that's exactly it. Yes, that's why I was really excited about this conversation with you today. Um because yes, it's it totally reflects the journey I've been on to understand how I wanted to express the feng shui that was in me, if you like. Um and it's it's really that, it's really about uh not giving your power away to feng shui or anything else, um, and and using it to to yeah, to anchor again your empowerment. So that that's what I'm that's what I feel. And it's funny, it made me think right now I'm um I'm designing and and remodeling my new house, um which is a an old provençal house. So I'm not creating from scratch. I have to adapt to the history of the place and um all kinds of things I would like to be different. Um and it's a challenge for me, and sometimes I panic, you know, sometimes because I want the feng shui to be perfect, because I'm a feng shui consultant, you know, so my feng shui needs to be amazing, perfect, and the floor plan needs to reflect uh my expertise. Um and sometimes it just completely blocks me. Um the rules they block me. And you know, every time I I I was spiraling into this um, oh, the the rules uh give it I was giving my power away to the feng shui. And every time I came back to me to I you know, I I really meditated and really understood that everything is always working out for me. And so this house will create the perfect environment for me. And when I just focused on that, suddenly, oh, uh this new possibility came in that I never thought about. And oh, I can put my front door here. I never thought about that, and you know what when I came back to my power, suddenly, oh, new possibilities arise, and and now the feng shui is perfect, and it's so it's it's it's really it's really funny.

Claire 54:54

Yeah, it's that's amazing, it's like water that finds a way through, right? Yeah, so when when you were feeling like oh you know, kind of bound by the rules of feng shui and giving your power away, you couldn't see the possibilities. And when you stopped doing that and remembered, okay, no, no, it's all in me, it's all in me, then the water found a way through, and then you discovered where to put the front door and and you were able to, and all of that. So everything always is working out for our highest good if we'll let it. Yes.

Claudine 55:30

If if you let it, exactly. So I I mean, in my teachings, I'm really implementing a lot of meditations to come back to that, to see more clearly, come back to your power, and the feng shui rule will follow.

Claire 55:50

Everything is about sovereignty. It is. It is. That's another reason that's why I want to have this conversation too, right? Because it's fascinating when you speak with people from different domains who different ways of working with energy, you know, different talents and gifts and all of that. But it always comes down to the same simple truths, which is we're we're it. I just want to touch touch back on one thing that you said about objects, like endowing objects, programming them, you know. I I think this is uh an idea for maybe a new idea to a lot of people, you know, that you could program an object, right? And I mean, people are starting to come around to the idea that we can program water, right? And and actually water is the the material expression of consciousness. But when you explain to a client that they can program an object, how do you explain that? How do you help them understand the themselves in as conscious creators and their their uh how how do you take them beyond the woo-woo?

Claudine 57:07

Well, it comes down to quantum physics really, that everything is energy, so it's not woo-woo at all, really, when you go about that way. I mean, I love quantum physics because the more I I dive into quantum physics, the more it explains everything, consciousness and everything I'm witnessing can be proved by quantum physics. Um, so if everything is energy vibrating at a certain frequency, um then the object that is that seems material is just by it's just vibrating energy. And so if everything is energy, then you can program an object, the energy of the objects. So that's how I explain it. And usually people understand it quite well like that. And if they don't, if they don't speak energy, um I also simply explain um the you know in in neuroscience when you um when you uh I'm searching for the word uh assimilate, when you link um an intention to a certain object or picture, then every time your brain sees that picture or that object as you're going about your day, it remembers, it creates a new neuropathway. It remembers that that's what you want to create in your life. And so your brain is a machine that's made to find solutions. So, you know, it's like when you want to buy a new car, uh, you start seeing it everywhere. And it's not because it's more of those cars, it's just that your brain is now focused on that car. And it's the same uh with feng shui. So if you uh, I mean you can use a vision board, but it doesn't have to be a vision board. But if you uh associate an intention with something you see every day, then your brain sees it every day, is reminded that it needs to find a solution to get to get there. And so it works in order to get there. So that's how I explain it. That's a great word. And and one goes with the other, they don't uh together.

Claire 59:38

Yeah, exactly. Well, and if you think about it, we we um create associations with objects that are creative all the time, but you know, it very often there there are negative associations. You know, people feel pain associated with certain objects because, oh, you know, so-and-so gave me that and then broke up with me, or you know, and so every time you see that thing, you're reminded of the breakup and it's making a neural pathway of pain, right? Uh, and so that that object now has the power to hurt you, right? So this is happening all of the time anyway, but we don't realize that we can invert that, you know, and and that we're the ones who are creating that association in the first place to somebody else's just an object. It doesn't have the same meaning, right? Exactly. So, you know, we do build those bridges uh neurologically all of the time. And as you say, you know, the the the the neuronal material part is just the physical expression, the tangible expression of what's happening on an energetic level. So, you know, I I guess this leads me to my my final question. You know, if there's if there's one shift that you would love listeners to to make after hearing this conversation, something simple, what would it be?

Claudine 1:01:11

So something really simple is making space. I mean, I'm not talking about decluttering your whole house, but if you have something you really want to happen, a project, uh you need to make space for it in energetically, you need to create the energetic container to actually contain it. Um and and that can be also done by emptying just one drawer in your office, or just empty a drawer, one drawer, and make it the the the container, the space for this new project.

Claire 1:01:55

So I could designate any drawer and be like, okay, and I have something in mind that I want to create in my life, I want to make space for it. So this drawer is going to symbolically represent the space that I'm making for that.

Claudine 1:02:07

Exactly. It represents the energetic container for for this project in in your quantum field, let's say. That is also reflected by your house.

Closing Reflections And Invitation

Claire 1:02:22

Well, this has been such an inspiring and joyful conversation. I've had tons of sparks of ideas. And when we turn off the recording, I'm gonna ask you more questions, personal stuff. But I want to thank you for the depth and the grace that you are bringing, not just to the spaces that you touch, but to this conversation and to the grace space. I mean, this is like for me the essence of why I created this podcast in the first place. It is a space for this kind of depth. And I'm so um just really moved by what I can see has happened to you, you know, in the time that I've known you, the the wisdom, the depth, the evolution, you know, your work with Feng Shui has just like brought out so much of the real you. And it's like continually in evolution. I'm excited to see where you're going with all of this. So for those of you who feel or those of you listening, you know, who feel drawn to connect more deeply with Claudine's work, what's the best way to find you?

Claudine 1:03:37

Well, I think the best way to see my energy is to go on my Instagram page. Uh so it's upflow fengchui. Uh it's in French, though, the page. So but you can check it out just see.

Claire 1:03:54

Very clearly you work in both languages. That's an advantage. Yeah.

Claudine 1:04:00

Um and then they can just connect with me by sending me a DM.

Claire 1:04:05

Okay. All right. Well, thank you. It's been just such a blessing to have you here and such a joy and a delight. And I'm really honored that you spent this time with me here in the Grayspace and with all of us. Thank you, Claire. So, what if your home is a mirror, not just of your past, but of your potential? It's amazing. What if the space that you live in is already holding a higher-dimensional version of your life, waiting for you to meet it there? This conversation with Claudine reminds us that we're not here to obey rules or follow formulas. We are here to co-create because we are the creators. We are here to feel, we are here to align, to engage with our spaces and our lives and life itself as sovereign creators and co-creators in relationship with reality, with the real. So, to learn more about Claudine's beautiful work, you can follow her on her Instagram or visit the links that I've put below. And if this conversation stirred something in you, I invite you to take one small step in your own space today, as Claudine suggested. Clear that drawer, open a window, light a candle. Not as a ritual of fixing, but as a gesture of remembrance that you are the one who brings the light in and out. I'll see you next time. Meanwhile, walk in grace. You've been listening to the Grace Space. To amplify this field, you're welcome to like, subscribe, or share. Thank you.