Your Kid Doesn’t Need Another App -- They Need A Garden: Reimagining Education & Sovereign Learning

News Flash: the educational system was never designed to cultivate free, sovereign human beings.

Claire Lautier joins educator and mentor Teresa Carolyn to explore the deeper questions surrounding education, learning, and the awakening of human potential.

After decades working within traditional education systems, Teresa began to see their limitations clearly. What emerged from that realization was a powerful vision for a different kind of learning rooted in curiosity, nature, self-directed discovery, and the innate sovereignty of every human being.

Together, Claire and Teresa explore:

• The moment Claire realized school had not prepared her with real skills for life
 • Why modern education often separates children from intuition and creativity
 • What “true education” might actually look like
 • The connection between sovereignty and self-directed learning
 • Why ecological literacy is essential for human freedom
 • The growing impact of screens and digital environments on children
 • How reconnecting with nature can restore creativity and presence

This conversation invites us to question inherited systems and remember something much older and wiser: learning as a natural expression of life itself.

Because perhaps the most important education is not about information at all -- but about remembering who we are.

Teresa Carolyn is a mother and educator passionate about nurturing the spirit of learning and connection in the world. With over 33 years of experience in education, she taught in schools across Australia and London as well as mentoring educators, lecturing at universities, and leading teams in innovative educational practices.

Teresa has had the privilege of working with diverse communities, creating multiple networks, and collaborating with international educators to design curricula that respect our natural, intuitive ways of living learning through expressing, experiencing and exploring. 

Throughout her career, Teresa has been honored with multiple Excellence in Teaching awards, including the AADES Gold Award for her contributions to distance education in Australia and New Zealand. Her work has been published and showcased internationally, reflecting her commitment to reimagining education. As a visionary educational entrepreneur, she runs a weekly podcast All Learning Reimagined on BBSradio.com. 

Transcript

Arriving In Grace

Claire 0:04

So before we begin, let's just take a breath together and just like a moment to arrive in the heart so that we can speak from the field rather than from our minds.

Teresa 0:22

Thank you.

Claire 0:26

Teresa, when you hear the word grace, what arises in you today?

Teresa 0:36

Oh, what a great first question. Um Grace for me means peace. It's such a beautiful word because I just even love saying the word because it just has that sense of a grace and ease, um, and synchronicity. So it's just that flow state, I feel, and and synchronicity is sort of where I'm at these days. I follow the synchronicities of life. So being in grace and being in peace state um is pretty much encompassing everything that I choose to do today. Uh so I absolutely love that, love that word. And whereas in comparison, years ago, when I was a raving workaholic and constantly in my head space, Grace was just not there. I was too distracted to stop and just be, um, and really feel into uh what I was fe saying or doing or just even being. So yeah, I love Grace. I love the name of your podcast. It's gorgeous, it's delicious.

Claire 1:47

Well, you know, it's funny, but that's that was the only thing I knew when I when I had the the idea or the the knowing that I that I wanted to do a podcast and that that was something that felt right for me. The only thing I knew at first was that it was called the grace space. I feel like that was hand delivered.

Teresa 2:07

It feels like that wrap of unconditional love, you know, like that connecting to connecting to the field. It's it's I love it. Yeah, it's beautiful. Thank you so much.

What Grace Means Now

Claire 2:18

Well, I hope that um that that energy, I I my intention is for that energy to carry all of our conversations. So um, having said that, your life's work has been devoted to learning, not as a system, right? But as a this living, breathing expression of who we are, this unfolding. So, would you speak of reimagining uh education and what you're really inviting us to remember?

Teresa 2:54

Oh my gosh. Um that's a really big question for me because I've been on such a journey and learning is pretty much where it's at. I feel like reimagining, particularly in the education space, is getting outside of the concept of four walls and an expert out front. Uh, because learning is life. We in any given moment, in any given moment, there is something to learn, and there doesn't have to be a set class. So because we live learning, exploring and experiencing and expressing and expression is learning. Um, and so to reimagine learning is to reimagine the way that we've been really socially engineered and programmed the last hundred years or so to move away from you know the homeschooling and the and the small groups and the following, the mastery of whatever it is was your passion, uh, to just cookie-cutter, everyone must learn one thing, we are going to impose on you when you'll learn, what you will learn, when you're allowed to go to the toilet, you need to pee on the bell, you know, all of those sorts of things. Uh, we've just shifted far too much away from uh being who and what we are and connecting to nature and following our passions. And it it's really it really bugs me actually. And I've been trying to flow against the stream within the system for such a long time, and always doing things differently, of course. And people, I used to have full-on debates, I don't bother anymore, with people who really kept going against the academic, you need to be teaching academically, and it's like, no, it's the person, it's the being, it's um that state of being and how they're feeling. Uh, and the failure, I love the failure. Uh just reshifting our perspectives on the way we are doing things and imposition, I think, is probably the key, the key word, um, and coming back to choice. Um, so when I'm when I feel about reimagining, it's pretty much everything that we do. Uh starting to question why do I do this? How is it because this is the way that I've shown? Is there another way? And stopping and reflecting, is it actually the best thing for me and whoever it is that's in that space at that time and having that relationship and connection? So I know that's a long-winded answer, but it's there's a really big topic, and there's so many different ways that I could go for this. And it got to the stage where I just couldn't, I couldn't try to change the system within the system. I literally burnt out. It it just didn't work for me. And I was tired of saying, Well, you know what? You know, someone should do something about this, until I realized, of course, I was someone. It's like, okay, well, put your money where your mouth is. What are you gonna do? So, yeah, that sort of led me to where I am today.

Reimagining Learning Beyond Four Walls

Claire 6:05

Okay, so there are like huge streams in there, and so much um, so so many questions that came to me as I was listening. I mean, first of all, I think we have to recognize that there is a system, right? And and we're talking about beyond just the educational system that everybody knows about. There is a system beyond that system. And and you know, the the people, the well-meaning people who were saying to you, oh, you know, well, we've got to focus on academics. And, you know, um, to me, it's speaks to this um unconscious uh um uh stream raging torrent, I guess we could say, that we've we've all been caught up in striving for something. We don't even know what it is, really. You know, we got to get the grades, why? Well, you got to get the grades so you can get into the right school. Why? Well, if you get into the right school, then you can, you know, you get the degrees and then you climb the ladder and all of this. And why, why, why, right? I mean, I certainly grew up with that mindset, which was like, well, you you go to school so that you can, you know, get the degrees and the the educ the proper education so you can get the right job or the right, you know. I mean, I I was kind of already outside the system because I didn't have a normal uh, you know, life, uh professional life. I was always outside the system. But most people are chasing this dangling carrot, right? Without really questioning, well, where am I going with all of this? You know, I think there may be a small percentage of people who are really driven by um a thirst for knowledge and an academic passion that they want to follow. And so in that case, it's appropriate. But a lot of people just aimlessly follow through the system because that's what they've been told to do, and they don't get a chance, and the system doesn't give them a chance to breathe within that and to have the space to really question well, who am I? And you know, why am I here on this planet? And what do I have to offer? But those aren't the questions that the system of control wants us asking.

Teresa 8:18

They want us distracted so that we don't we don't do that. And really, we have been socially engineered to just be on autopilot. Um, and it's really it's tribal thinking. Our society is tribal. You grow up, and the the society does the thinking for us. You just follow authority, you turn up, you have to um, you know, have to go to school, you need to do this, blah, blah, blah. It keeps just going on. And but um, the issue that I have had with that, particularly the last few years, is that where is the choice? I mean, yes, you can go to some um cities or you can go to some places, and there are choices. There are Montessori schools and forest schools and and Steiner schools, and you do have options, but not everywhere. And a lot of people are um don't really have that many options, and a lot of families do not have the ability or um the circumstances to be able to homeschool or do different things that a lot of people, well, there's a whole worldwide movement towards it, let's face it, because the children who are coming through now, such high frequency, and they just will not stand for it anymore. They're coming through with that innate knowing that this is wrong, this feels wrong for them. Um, and the system, I used to say for years, we are the system, but you know, obviously recently I've I've realized that no, there is an agenda, uh, there is a distinct agenda as to why things are happening the way they are. And the uh over the last 30 years, I've watched it play out, and um it's been very subtle and it's been very clever, but it it has to come full circle, and it's getting to the stage now where you know there are schools now run entirely by technology. There's there are no human teachers there. The children go in, it's independently, completely technology, and these children plug into devices and off they go. So that's a slippery slope to go down at the same time. So, um, you know, where does it where does it stop? And I'm just everybody needs to have a choice to do what um what they love, and I think choice is what it comes down to, but at the same time, I just want to be able to stop and say, hey, what are we doing here as a humanity, as a species, where are we headed? Um, and tap back into nature and who and what we are and um why we do things. So instead of being on default autopilot and then all of a sudden waking up and having 12, 13, 14, 15 years of your life in education, which really is indoctrination these days. And I know I probably technically shouldn't be saying this, but that's that's what it is. I'm just speaking truth. Um, why are we doing this? And for parents not to just hand your child over to a stranger to raise, you don't know what values that they're stilling in their classroom, and you really need to get involved and support the children or balance at home uh your values and beliefs and give the children that critical thinking and that um ability to trust their own judgment, not anyone else outside of themselves. There's just so many layers in where we are today and where I foresee us um uh moving and shifting to uh in the future, even just now. It's happening right now.

Systemic Striving And The Academic Treadmill

Claire 11:53

Thank you for that perspective. And and I absolutely encourage you to use the word indoctrination because let's call this a spade a spade. I mean, I I I was um thinking back to the moments that I remember from my education, my educational background, and they're really divided into two categories. One is trauma, the moments where uh I was I felt traumatized by something. Um and the other moments that stand out are the moments that were real, the moments where a teacher um reached me because they were being a human being or because they sparked something in me that was real. Those are the the two kinds of memories that I have about school. And everything else is kind of a blur. Um, and yeah, I mean, I think um it has moved more and more into indoctrination. And, you know, we come to find out that a lot of things that we were told uh was were, you know, it was history, uh is either a very um biased perspective or in many cases not even true. Absolutely.

Teresa 13:04

And it's a shock to find out, it's just like a what? What do you mean? And I was one of those people because I love to research, going, no, you're wrong. I'm proving you wrong, I'm gonna prove you wrong. And then that actually sent me further into proving them right because I was discovering all of these other perspectives I had never considered before, because I was too distracted working, surviving on in the rat race. Um, and and that's the problem, is distraction. And our children today don't know how to focus. Well, that I shouldn't say that because that's not a blanket statement. Many children today, not all children, um, are have really lost that ability to stop and focus. And when you focus and you pour that passion and that um uh that intention into something, you know, magical things happen because we're creator beats, right? But at the same time, at this stage, the children are uh many of them in some of these systems are really losing that sense of self uh and really getting that disconnect. And that's what I'm concerned about. And when I was saying, you know, saying to my friends, someone needs to do something about this, and it's like, well, having conversations like what you are and I are having right now, and whoever it is that's listening right now, you know, um, you are the people that are going to make a difference. Just one tiny little conversation, one shift in perspective, one planting the seed of an idea of uh does it need to be this way, and starting to question and then following up with action, uh, if every single person on the planet did that, we wouldn't be where we are today. You know, so much can shift so quickly if we come from our heart space and get out of our heads.

Claire 14:49

Well, you know, it I 100% agree with you. And and it seems to me that, you know, the big shift in in mindset that um that I get, I mean, you know, we it's happening, but the big shift in mindset is is that between um sovereignty and slavery, right? And the the school system, I feel it, you know, overall, j if I'm generalizing, the system itself teaches us to be good little slaves of the system. Uh, and you know, it's it's not teaching sovereignty yet. There are certain schools, I'm sure, that are much more focused on that, on uh on allowing children to come from natural authority, which is, and and I'd like to hear your perspective on this too, Teresa, because children, I mean, on the one hand, I feel like, well, children are their brains are still developing, they, you know, they they're finding themselves, they don't know who they are yet. All of that, that's that's true, you know, and at the same time, they are uh divine creator beings in young bodies. And so, you know, they have an innate uh natural authority, an innate sense of intuition. Um, and I think the most painful memory that is lodged in my heart uh is of the loss of that uh through schooling, you know, which which was like a scythe that cut me off from a sense of naturalness and a sense of real spontaneity and creativity as a as a being, you know. Um, and even just remembering it now, I I have this emotion that comes up because I because I'm aware that somewhere along the way, that was just severed, right? And it's uh a terrible, um, a terrible fate that awaits uh most children who enter into a system that does not see them as a multidimensional being that wants to force them into a mold uh and kill their spontaneity, their creativity, and their uh their innate um uh sovereign creativity, I guess we could say, right? Their their um their expression, their soul expression. So um how do we allow children to express their innate creativity and uniqueness? And how do we at the same time provide some kind of structure for um brain development? Or maybe I'm just answering the question in my own mind as I'm answering, as I'm asking it, because maybe it is the natural, the natural approach that helps their brains develop um in a more multidimensional way rather than developing, you know, only certain or heavily weighted toward one side of the brain, as opposed to, you know, hemis hemispheric awareness, uh double hemispheric awareness. Um, how do you what does a real school look like these days? How do we get there?

Choice, Tech-Run Schools, And Agency

Trauma, Truth, And Indoctrination

Teresa 18:23

Um, I just had so much going through my head right then when you were talking because I was like, oh, ooh, ooh, uh it's just rich. Everything you say has so many rich layers in it. I'm just loving this conversation. Um, I there's already lots of places already doing this. You know, they're they're they're all over this. So it's not um, and it's not one size fits all. So it's it's all is not lost. There's a lot of amazing things happening in the world, um, a lot of incredible uh opportunities to happen, uh, you know, are growing and sparking and has been for decades now. Uh, I feel like what you're talking about is how do we get that current system to shift in this direction and pivot in this direction? And I will admit that probably if you'd asked me that question five years ago, I would have said, look, that beast of a system just needs to naturally die, um, a death, and and and people need to build an alternative system. And I don't mean alternative as as in let's all be uh hippies and kumbaya. I mean an actual practical alternative as in apprenticeships and uh connection to community and real life experience that's going to um to help with that contribution to community and self, learning more about self is just everything, who and what you are, what's your learning preference, um uh, you know, your health, your well-being, all of these things have many different layers which are important. And I feel today, however, I don't feel as polarizing. There are a lot of little things that can be done, but it has to start with the leadership. If the leadership are going to stamp down and say, you will teach spelling at 10:15 every day, and we are going to come around and check, and here is your pre-program. You are going to teach and say this script. And I know for a fact this is happening in schools, and teachers are walking out in droves because they're just so unhappy with not only the way that they're being told to teach, but some of the content is quite disturbing, actually. Um, so I think the shift is play. We need to come back to play. We have to come back to spaced learning. So the latest neuroscience has shown us that you cannot just keep stuffing your head full of facts and figures, that you get cognitive overload. You have to have space. And so our best ideas come when we're in the shower or we're walking on the beach or when you're alone and you have that silence. So, where is that in the learning today? It's just next, next, next. Uh, and and the pressure and the judgment with all of the assessments and this and that, and we're going to judge you, and it you have to achieve, and you need to look like this, and you have to say this, and just enough already, just enough. So we learn through stories, we know that. Um, if you tell a story, children will really get so much out of their story in so many different layers. We learn through play much faster than what you could do for any type of learning. We already know what the answers are. We learn through nature. Mother nature, Sophia, is Grace. She is Grace. So, you know, grass does not have to strain to grow, it's not getting a hemorrhoid out there. It's It's just it's just doing what it needs to do. So why are we trying to make the children strain to fit our mold? We just need to adults, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, need to be there as a mentor to create the space to make sure that they're safe. To um, you know, if I'm going to have a tinker shed, for example, and they're all going to come in and they're going to fix old broken bikes and they've got hammers and nails and saws and all sorts of stuff, of course you're going to need to have the safety talk and show them what they need to do and then get the hell out of their way and let them build and create. Same thing if they're going to build a chalk pen for the back of the of the school, get them to do the chores. Why are we employing cleaners in schools? Why aren't the children cleaning up after themselves? Why aren't they responsible for growing and cooking their own lunches and preparing and serving their food and getting those life skills? Um, you know, I ran a business. Uh, my husband and I ran a business years ago, and we employ we employed well over 20 teenagers. And I had a girl come in one day and I asked her to mop the floor. It was a pizza business at that stage, and what was a food business, and there were two mops in the mop bucket, and she's going, What do I do? And I said, What do you mean? She goes, Well, there's two mops. How do I mop with two mops? I was like, Well, take one mop out of the bucket and you just use one mop. And she could not for the life of her work out what to do because and she they they'd never washed up, they you know, everything was done for them. That's a real concern. You know, I've taught children, I've seen children in a prep classroom who had never seen a book, and they picked up a book and they're swiping the front cover, going, This one's broken, nothing's happening. There is something wrong when we have this situation, and that was that was six or seven years ago, actually, probably longer than that. Actually, that's when I sort of thought, you know what, someone's got to do something about this. This is just not right. When some children are being born and they're being just thrown in front of an iPad from birth, that's their babysitter, pretty much. And yes, technology is very useful and can be good as a tool, but it cannot be the be-all and end all. We have to have that connection to who and what we are, we have to have relationships with each other and with nature. So um, there's so many different things we could do with um, you know, having farms days and camps and apprenticeships and um just practical living life and learning through those everyday, very simple experiences. I mean, I could go on and on and on. There's just so much that we could do, and we could do it right now, wouldn't cost anything, it would simply be a shift in perspective, and uh it would be that simple. But the biggest thing would be to give the children a voice. And it does you can't say, oh, they're little children, they they don't have a voice, or teenagers, you know, can't be trusted, they can't have a voice. Absolutely, they can. You give them choice and then you allow them to reflect and you allow them to map their own growth and also follow their own passion of what they would love to do and then come back and feel like they contribute. I mean, I know the the the Shatinyan schools in in Russia that that fit in with um Anastasia books, you know, the forest schools that are over there, they have that sense of community and they are doing things for the rest of the group. And when they feel like they're contributing, they don't want to let them down, and then they learn deeper, is deeper learning because of that sense of connection and uh that sense of belonging is really vital rather than everyone having to compete against each other for a grade. You know, that's just it's insane, it's insane. So once we start shifting our perspective and people saying, you know, what can I do? Well, actually, everybody can do something, even if you're a grandparent. Next time you're with your grandchildren or even the next-door neighbor's kids, just step back and allow them to climb that tree. Um, so there's just so many different layers to this, and I don't feel like it needs to be let's go and write a program. Uh I think it's just people before program, and we have to come back to that common sense of listening to our own gut and our own intuition and allowing the children to trust, to learn to trust their own. How does this make you feel? If it doesn't feel right, if it feels a little bit off, then we need to stop and pause. What is that? If it feels absolutely right, yes, go and do that within reason because if they think they're gonna jump off the roof and fly and they think they're right about that, then obviously we're gonna have to have a conversation. But um yeah, it's just that holding a safe space for the children and creating a lovely ecosystem so that they can bloom at their own pace, but but having accountability. They need to learn accountability and responsibility. It cannot be a free-for-all because then that just becomes a big old mess. We can't go from such structure to a free-for-all. Free-range chicken, free-range children. Uh, it just doesn't work. There has to be some sort of learning structure. And the sweet spot these days seems to be about one or two hours of formal structured learning and then and then not, you know, play or explore or um or go to an apprenticeship or do whatever it is that you're going to be doing, that's more practical and hands-on. That seems to be um uh there's a lot of success in many different places around the world that are having that success. And it's working so well to be able to do that. Working in with the circadian rhythms as well. Um, anyway, I'm rambling. I know, I've got so much to say about this. My brain is just like so full, it could just explode.

Claire 28:05

Well, well, I mean, that this is a such a such an important topic. And something really struck a chord with me that you said about deeper learning. Deeper learning. That really, I felt like my whole system, there went a vibration went through it because my memory of test taking and you know, overall was of superficiality, right? And and I never really felt like I was learning anything. I just felt like I was just memorizing stuff so that I could get the best grade I could on the test to get to the next level, you know. And I I haven't retained really any any of the learning. Um, let's not say any, most of what I was taught academically, I have never retained because it was not learned at depth. The real learning, as you say, is the deep learning. And, you know, the times that, and I love what you said about, you know, having the kids participate in taking care of the upkeep of their school, of their classroom, of their environment, growing the food that they're gonna eat, all of that, you know, um, when you get uh involved, when you get your hands dirty, when you are um involved with your environment, then you're connected to your environment. And I mean, I remember just on the few occasions growing up where I was um allowed as a child to take responsibility for my environment. Um specifically, I'm thinking of uh the church that I grew up in was a you know pretty cool church uh as churches go. And, you know, we we had um we had a lock-in. We could we could have a lock-in with the the kids where we spent the night in the church and we got to run all over the place through the administration, through the offices, down into the kitchen and the all of that, you know, and and like washing up in the kitchen and things like that. All of a sudden, my my feeling of um going to that church was completely different. I felt involved. I felt like part of me was in the church and I felt, you know, implicated, just you know, on a on a social level, like I care, right? And and that that's just one example. But it seems to me that yeah, if we stop dividing uh children from their environment and allow them to take care of things, the environment's just an extension of ourselves. I mean, you know, I I can't go to a place and live there or even stay there without trying to do something to make it feel more harmonious, more beautiful, more cared for because my environment is an extension of me. And um, it bothers me when I go someplace and I and I can't do that for whatever reason. Um, you know, I like to get my hands dirty, I like to clean, I like to rearrange things, I like to change the energy around. I enjoy doing that because it connects me to my environment. So imagine a world where, you know, kids were not just going to school like they feel like they're going into prison, and a lot of schools nowadays, public schools are practically prisons, um, you know, but going into an environment that they care about because they care for it, and everyone has a part to play in uplifting the environment and and um connecting to it and connecting with one another doesn't seem to me that that's a chore. It it could it might be viewed that way initially, because we have unprogramming to do, but um I think that that's that really touched me what you said, and it feels really special and like there's something really important in there.

Sovereignty Versus Slavery In Schooling

Teresa 32:08

Oh, and Claire, the connect, the word connect, which I I think you just said that about three or four times, that connect, connect, connect is everything because it's connection to self, but also connection to why, our why. Why are we doing this? What is the purpose? Um, does it have any meaning for me? Because to have deep learning needs to have meaning. Uh, otherwise, what's the point? So, why am I learning this? Why am I doing this? So if it if it's doing it for the community or to help others and having that sense of accomplishment, you can't buy that. You can't go, you can buy your children all the shiny toys you want, but you cannot pay for them to have that sense of, I did that, I managed to do that, I overcame this, and it took me a little while, and but I did that, and I'm helping other people because we know we get the endorphins and the dopamine hit. When you help someone else, you feel so good, but even observing someone help someone else also makes the observer feel good. We know that emotions are contagious, and so and that's one of the best things that adults can do is be calm and steady, be very aware of the frequency of their voice and the tone of how they're talking and communicating to children. The number one thing, the worst thing you can do is yell at children. It's just the worst thing you can do. It doesn't matter how frustrated you are. Um, if you're really frustrated, walk away, lie on the ground, around. Uh, do something, anything, rather than take out your frustration on children. But that connection is everything. Although I do have to admit, the last um little while I'm having, you know, I used to say, you know, service to self, service to others. It's really important to serve others. And yet I've it through the whole sovereignty movement, and I know the word sovereign, the word sovereign over here in Australia has really been weaponized. Uh, it's really sovereign. It, you know, if you say sovereign, it's just like someone saying conspiracy theory, it's been put in the same bucket, which really annoys me because it's just so far from the truth. But um it's just that I've completely lost my train of thought. It's when the children are are thinking for themselves and doing things for themselves. No, it's gone. It's gone. It's just deleted. It's like someone's just pressed delete on my on my brain. It's gone.

Claire 34:48

That's okay. I think you know, it's like the train tracks to just they went a different direction now. And that and I'm inspired to ask you a question, you know, about sovereignty or souverinty, as you say. Um in French, the word is souverain. So um, you know, um because really what we're talking about, you know, in a larger sense is this movement from imposition, as you said, right, toward sovereignty. And you're part of a national sovereignty movement in Australia. You're working with natural lore and self-governance. So, how has this deeper understanding of jurisdiction, and let's talk about that, uh, reshaped the way that you see education, for example?

Teresa 35:36

Uh, it's had a profound impact on me, actually, um, because I'm questioning all even the words that I use and the true meaning of words. So going back, and you know, I'm constantly getting out my entomology dictionary and going, oh, what does you mean that word means that? So we have been absolutely played when it comes to um media and in the propaganda that's out there and the words that have been slipped into our society and uh massaged into what you know, words that we say every day, and we don't realize that we are speaking it aloud and actually creating that reality and uh because we've had a different meaning. So taking back our language and our power and comprehending it's really about awareness of where where things are and where we're at. And the jurisdictions, yes, in the legal, lawful sense, and law for me is natural and universal law, L-O-R-E. Um, you know, I have nothing to do with courts, I don't have anything to do with police, it's just not my field, it's not my world. Um uh I'm a good person, I don't do anything wrong, I'm not playing in that space. But it's that do we know who and what we are? Do we comprehend what our rights are? Because it's not cool. Um, here in this country, it's just not done. You don't talk about politics, you don't, you don't question that you have rights, you just do as you're told. You just sit down, shut up, do as you're told, she'll be right, mate. Just don't question, go to the pub and have another beer for beer and circuses. Distraction, distraction, distraction. So discovering this movement and realizing that Australia is a corporation that's actually on the stock market um was a huge shock for me. That was one of the things that I was like, no way, and I'm gonna prove you wrong. And then, of course, I found out facts and went, this is just crazy. How did we not know this? Why are we not teaching this in schools? So we set off a whole and then self-governance. I've started connecting with a lot of um uh origines. I mean, people call them aboriginals, but that means not original. So origines are original peoples of this land, beautiful uh uh beings who are very sovereign. They really stand in their power and they know what they're doing, and the way that they transfer knowledge in their learning, I've I've um connected with them on how they do this, and they really had it right. Um, it's amazing. And they step back and they allow their children the freedom of choice, they you know, they jip them when they're when they're you know getting a bit too boisterous or doing the wrong thing, but though they're really truly allowing those children to express and to live the learning that they need. And it's a completely different structure to what I grew up in in schooling. So it's it's very different. But comprehending, you know, the land and the air and the and the water jurisdiction and all of those sorts of things really made me stop and question even the fact that handwriting is almost not taught in schools anymore. Why is that? Why are we not doing cursive writing anymore? We know it's good for the brain, we know it's we know it's good for development, everything is typed or talked to text these days, and that shift towards technology. Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of children that need this technology because um you know they have needs and it certainly helps them and enables them to um to contribute and and um and reflect and communicate. I don't have a problem with that, but as a general rule, there's a huge shift and swing away from things like handwriting, teaching of Latin, teaching of the root of words and what they truly mean. We used to teach that when I first started teaching, and it's just nowhere to be seen in the public schools, right? In some of the private, more lofty schools where you know, children who come from the families who are going to be future leaders, uh, they I'm imagining would get that sort of education. And I can't speak for as a fact because I don't know, I'm just guessing in that space, but all the evidence points in that direction that um that there's definitely a distinction between the quality of what's on offer um in that space and the structure. So it it's a bit it's a big thing, and I would highly recommend that uh this needs to be tabled. It really needs to come um come out publicly, and it really needs to be something that's a good, open, honest, authentic conversation. And self-governance is so difficult because we're so used to just being told what to do and outsourcing someone else in a compartment to do just their little part. So as a society, you know, it's gonna be messy for us to come back and learn self-governance, but that starts with self. If I can't control my own emotions and be responsible and take accountability for my own actions, you know, natural law fits into this as well, then how am I supposed to lead other people? Um and that's pretty much what it's all about when you come to that awareness.

Play, Space, And Nature As Teachers

Claire 41:04

Yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. Um, it starts with uh self-responsibility, what I would call radical responsibility for everything in your life, you know, and that's not blame. That is just simple accountability. Okay, this is my life, this is the situation. This I accept it. Okay, I accept that doesn't mean I rule over and I take it. It means this is the way things are right now. I got here some somehow, and I'm the ultimate authority in my life. I am the prime creator of my own life. So let me take responsibility for all of it. Some things I may be able to change, some things not right now, but that's okay. I got to start with me. That's the only place that I can start. I mean, that's everything that I teach and when I work with people, I mean, that's that's where we begin, right? Is that recognition. But I want to circle back to some things that you said, because, like in case people don't realize, you know, it's not just Australia that's a corporation, every country is a corporation. And that is not conspiracy, guys. Look it up. You can look it up.

Teresa 42:02

It's I can I can attest to that because I tried to prove it wrong. I was like, this, that is BS. There's no way. I just I was one of those, you know, there's just no way that that's true, but it actually is, I'm sorry to say. And then that shifts your whole access because if they've lied about that, then what else have they lied about? And then then be careful because when you start looking and researching and having that critical thinking and checking, and you cannot just Google it and expect the answers to be there, you know. There's so much that's hidden from us. Um, I just cannot wait for the shift because you can see more information's coming out, and these conversations certainly raise awareness, um, and they certainly help, but you have to do the work yourself, you have to go and research it for yourself. You can't just blindly accept that someone said it, so it must be true. And that's how we've been socially engineered, that's how we've been conditioned. So, oh, they're wearing a white coat and a name tag, or you know, they they have a leadership position. They must know more than me, their authority, I will bow down to you. We have been conditioned to do this for years. People have been trying to get me to do PhDs, and um I'm pretty stubborn. You know, I I have some friends, I've got lots of friends that have got lots of different degrees and master's degrees, and you know, more power to them. They're very clever people. But I've got a PhD in life. I didn't want to do that. I just I just want to go and live and and just get on with the job and do it.

Claire 43:37

So um well, because also we have to be so discerning. Uh I mean, if you're gonna go get a PhD because you'd love to do that, that's fantastic. But where's the information that you're learning coming from? By whose authority? You know, is it trickling down to us? What is the origin? Is there an agenda behind it? I mean, this is all the kind of thing that uh that I was never taught in school, you know, what is real critical thinking? I had to learn on my own. own you know and it is and it is you have to if you start pulling that thread of sovereignty for example the whole sweater unravels and you realize yeah even if we haven't been outright lied to we have been the the the truth the way things really work has been concealed right even though the information is hiding in plain sight most people are so well trained to live like slaves right and I really do mean that not to think for yourself just to kind of go along with whatever whatever they tell you right that they won't go and look and and find the evidence that is hiding in plain sight they won't go and look for it right and you're right you have to when when you when the fire is lit in you and you start to realize wait a minute this whole thing this whole thing is a stitch up the world really is a stage I mean you know I was an actor for 25 years and I was right and I Shakespeare was right you know I how many times have I have I heard that speech have I spoken that speech all the world's a stage he he absolutely was speaking the truth you know and all the men and women merely players merely players and you see it's I think become more and more obvious and transparent nowadays that to the point where people are so paranoid that they don't believe anything that is being told to them on the news anymore. And that's good, you know, and of course there's you know one crazy rabbit hole after another some of them maybe you know more worth your time than others but like the point is question right the point is don't take it for granted that's what to me all learning reimagined is right you can't just accept what's being fed to you in a textbook because it comes from a scholastic publisher you know who who was behind that who funded that scholastic publisher I mean one of the things that came out recently was Robert Maxwell the father of Gilan Maxwell was the owner of the Pergamon press and they are the ones who published the scholactic the scholastic textbooks uh at least in the United States all the ones that I was given in the public school system came from there.

Teresa 46:27

Exactly but what agenda you know you you you're you're given curriculum to teach we never questioned that I never questioned that I was I was given it and it was this is this is what you need to teach. Okay and that's just what you did you just that whole um and with earnest you you truly believe that you were doing the right thing and because there's fantastic amazing beautiful people in all of these systems not knowing that we're perpetuating the system and the word when you mentioned slave I remembered what I forgot before and what I was saying was um uh service to self and service to others and what I realize now today is that that is still making you a slave if you're serving yourself and serving others you are still in slave mentality it shouldn't be that you have to serve anyone it is you contribute you have choice and you contribute from the heart space you don't have to serve anyone it's it's you know you don't have to bow down to anyone you are your own strong sovereign person and you anchor in what you believe and what resonates with yourself. So when you listen to your body and when you say a word or you hear something and you go I don't really know about that it doesn't quite resonate with me. And it might not mean that it's not true it just might might be that it's bumping up against a belief system that you've had programmed and you need to stop and sit with it for a while and then decide what you want to do with that information. And this is the problem with schools today there's no space to stop and think and teaching children to make these really important decisions which you do in life you know should I marry that person? Should I buy that house? Should I go on that trip? These big life decisions are they should sit and and really feel into it and not just do whatever they're told to do but listen to their own self that if we all did that then the world would be a better place that's for sure.

Deep Learning Through Care And Contribution

Claire 48:34

Can we come back to this service to self service to other split because I feel something really true in what you just said. That is another duality and it's used especially nowadays it's used to make people feel guilty. You know you're either service to self or service to others and you've got to choose if your service to self means you're an asshole and a jerk and all you care about is yourself. If service to others is good service to self is bad. That is just another duality service to others seems to me it seems like okay well that must be the good thing I've got to be in service to others okay I've got to serve I need to serve right that's where a lot of the new age mentality goes right but is it just another more subtle form of slavery that keeps you in submission and and um also in self-judgment right oh I can't be in service to myself I have to be in service to others because that that's good and the other one is bad. So we're still caught up in a duality there. So I love where you took that which was you know it's really about contribution and we can only contribute from us from our space of sovereignty from from knowing who we are why we're here and what our unique gifts are to contribute to society. And we can't do that from a place of self-abnegation you know um we can't do it from a place of oh you know I I have to make myself small and humble because inside me is a monster, you know, um the ego is bad and you know human beings are terrible. And that's another narrative that is really very strongly perpetuated is how bad and rotten human beings are. And I'm I'm doing my best to counter that with every podcast episode. I believe in the human being I think we're extremely noble and and our true nature is um creative and um peaceful and good um that we've just been warped and twisted over many eons of mind control and um and parasitism frankly um and so you know I want to bring back and and restore our faith in in the real human. And I think that's one of the things that we're wanting to cultivate in in uh learning environments again. And by the way learning environments for me are not just just about children and school right I I I have to immerse myself every day I immerse myself in a in a learning environment. I'm constantly listening to podcasts and books and people who inspire me and opening my perspective up every single day because I feel like I spent so many years of my life you know being just brainwashed and you know only in a very narrow neurological pathways. And um so I'm trying to break all of the programming that was instilled in me. And I believe that I do break it every single day and I open myself up to more and more and more. So I think all learning reimagined which I'm seeing behind you on your screen right is inspires me every time I see it, I understand it more deeply because we're not just talking about children. We're talking about the the the the child in us like the golden child who's no longer naive but innocent right we reclaim our human innocence when we let go of our naivete right our naive the naivete that is um bred into us which is to not question, to just blindly trust authority to go along with what they say, you know, do what the government says they take care of us and all of that is just you know globally and as a humanity we're having to reconcile the fact that that's just not true that our our they did not have our best interests at heart and we're having to grow up and let go of that naive attitude and you know it hurts there's there's you experience a lot of emotions along the way but then you re find again your your innocence your true innocence which is innate to humanity I feel um you know which is our sense of wonder and goodness and um creativity and the expression of spiritual gifts. So you know that's where we're going again it seems to me.

Teresa 53:19

Absolutely I absolutely agree with you. And while you were talking about you know humans being human beings being you know humane and I was thinking you know they know not what they do. People are not even aware many people are not even aware of what if what's even happening and in that space. To go back to the service to self and service to others absolutely the new age society this the new age religion because it is a religion um and I can speak from it because I was in it for many years you know truly believed in it until I didn't I popped that bubble because I could feel that something was off something just didn't fit because it was outside of myself and I had to come back and listen to myself and I was like hey it's just something's not quite right here. But when people say okay well how can you contribute and I do agree with that it doesn't schooling and education doesn't have to be about children we've got amazing retirees in every in every society you know our elders hold so much um passion and knowledge and wisdom and they are an untapped resource in my opinion for community to learn from and it's one of my passion projects which I really would love to see one day and could happen at any given time anyone could pick this up and and run with it would be a way to contribute to your society would be for every school or learning environment or community center to have something called a bartering barn. So a bartering barn could be you know a shed a barn a room a hall whatever the structure happens to be but a place where um children or people from any age can grow food and contribute food uh uh contribute to the bartering barn or they're fixing old broken um anything they're making wooden toys they're sewing they're knitting they're you know dot dot dot they're um doing food preservation and making jams so they they're actually doing something for a purpose that could be put in the bartering barn for the community to run with the children you don't need money you don't it you don't need money as a resource in order to um in order to share and learn and can you imagine a community that's thriving the amount of things that will be recycled and not having to be thrown in the trash which is certainly helping you know our environment of course but that sense of um learning how to fix things and the skill sets and the camaraderie and the relationships and that sense of accomplishment and contributing whatever your passion happens to be and then you get to dip your toe and learn a lot of different skills and then see oh I really enjoyed that I loved painting I think I'm going to paint and creativity can be anything it can be metalwork and can be woodwork. It doesn't have to be a paintbrush or or actual art to mention music um and then someone might come along and say well look I'd really love some eggs from the Chooks but I don't have anything to barter well great you can go and weed our garden for half an hour and then there you go there's your eggs you can have an act of service that everyone's got something to to contribute. Well and can you imagine just that one idea is that that's that's it. So when people say what does that look like you know it's all well and good for you to say that but what does that look like well there's one idea that ticks all the boxes for any age and wouldn't wouldn't need much doesn't have to be fancy schmancy just set it up with what you've got where you are and it's completely run by volunteers or put the children on as to roster it because it and then the children get a sense of oh well you know five oranges for uh you know that broke that uh fixed football you know they get that sense of what a thing's worth and then they get to actually barter and play because I know there's a lot of kids out there they don't know how to know how to give change they don't know what to do with money if that skill has been lost um in many different societies.

Words, Jurisdiction, And Natural Lore

Claire 57:40

It also removes the the limitation that especially for you know the the older generations has been totally embedded into us which is you know well can I afford it can I afford this you know do I have enough money that is just completely programmed into everybody right and and if you're not dealing with money anymore you're dealing with exchange right exchange of energy does what does five oranges mean to you well it might mean a lot to you or it might mean nothing to you it depends on what you value and what you need it for you know um so wouldn't what what what would it be like to not have to uh limit yourself because you're accustomed to thinking about money you know how much money you have or don't have and and to to have your needs met and and actually the thing is our needs are always met we just don't realize it we're we're so programmed and this brings me back to our um previous discussion about corporations i mean teresa what does it mean the the fact that Australia is a corporation the fact that the United States Canada all the European country every country basically on the planet is a corporation what does that mean for us um oh that's a really big question um it means that people have um inadvertently because they didn't realize it so when you get Habs you know when you're born and you get that birth certificate you're actually then in their jurisdiction of the corporation so once you comprehend the system and how it happens and all roads lead to Rome because there's all these different um areas uh to do with the wealth in the UK and and but the strong arm it all does actually lead to Rome.

Teresa 59:39

Um and it's a spiritual thing at the same time giving away that power and giving away that that sovereignty there are a lot of people on the planet that are claiming their own country uh they're setting up their own trusts that they're doing a lot of different things to try and work outside of the system there's a lot of common law groups um I did go and check them all out and completely got confused and bamboozled all that it was so overwhelming to get started and think I don't know what I don't know and it just felt um discomfogulating I was just like whoa my gosh but when you know better when you know better you do better and comprehending the jurisdiction and what you can do and the fact that I am a living woman I am not a piece of paper and I am not that name and all caps lock uh you know which is a glossar dog Latin I am not that identity so I am a living woman and I'm here I'm I'm standing I'm breathing and I actually have um sovereign power when it comes to natural and universal law uh you know I I have dominion over my own world and so when we stand in our own truth and you know go to an international airport and they want to take a photo and I can say no I decline. Oh no no no it's mandatory. Well mandatory is actually not law it's not compulsory I decline. You do not need to take my photo thank you very much. So when you just stand you don't have to um be nasty about it you just politely and and and be strong in your intention and stand in your truth and the more people that do that um we wouldn't be in this mess that it is but once again by design in my opinion there are so many people that are working two jobs for a family and they barely see their children and they're working working working trying to pay more taxes and more taxes and they're stuck in this trap and they're so distracted it's not their fault. They don't have time to investigate and to look down these paths if it's not really presented to them in that space. Whereas if it was in schools and you were learning from the get-go that this is the structure, this is the land jurisdiction this is what this means and and these um businesses and corporations come under this jurisdiction and I can't I can't even tell you off the top of my head because I don't know it deeply enough but I do comprehend the jurisdictions and I know that if something came up that I know where to go and find the information that I need at any given time. So I think it's a matter of awareness and the fact that we do need to educate ourselves and I love the fact that you said you educate yourself every day. I do the same thing I'm constantly listening learning talking I talk to people all over the globe constantly weekly and ask them what's your perspective what's it like in your country and quite often they're telling me things that I'm not seeing on my television or media here. It's it's you know I remember I think it was last year I was talking to a friend of mine in Canada I was saying oh how were those fires it was terrible must have been terrible and they said what are you talking about?

Claire 1:02:47

There's no fires here yeah no it's on our news it's everywhere it's shocking like oh really feel for you no there's no fires here it and then it makes you question well what once again it's another narrative putting people in fear state I don't even watch TV not anymore not unless I need to to um to get information but at this stage I just do not trust the information um and then it's a matter of what can I anchor on the only thing I can anchor on is myself and my own experience which and so everything that I've shared today I'm not an expert I'm just speaking from my heart and I'm speaking from my personal experience I've taught in London I've taught in the Outback I've taught in big cities capital cities I've taught in online schools in distance education um you know I've taught in mainstream classrooms I've taught in high school I've taught in primary schools I've taught in kindergartens I've taught everywhere but I've sort of tried it all and I've been in education leadership for such a long time um so I can only speak from my heart and from my experience and that that's pretty much all we can do is go okay where am I at and what's my next step and then just follow the breadcrumb that your own self gives you so yeah yeah well you know the more we talk the more I'm realizing just how interconnected everything is right I mean the fact that countries are actually corporations means that we're just treated like commodities uh and not um not like the humans the beings that we actually are living men and women and um and then so of course it makes total sense that we should uh be given a an educational system that reinforces that um that reality you know on one level um because if that's how you experience things if you don't know any better and if you use words that you don't understand without questioning them then you by tacit consent enter into that jurisdiction right and you have for all intents and purposes sold yourself um without even realizing it into that slavery and then you you know you enter into an educational system that's designed to reinforce that and most people uh live and die without ever knowing um who they really are and why they're here yeah because it's all contracts that's what I've come to realize is that everything we do is a contract we're contracting it whether you're signing on the dotted line autographing if you're a living man or woman you autograph you don't sign but even verbal contracts you know your word is your bond let's have the handshake all of those sorts of things where you're making that agreement it's an energetic agreement and so everything we do here in this realm on this earth is a contract in that space and

Teresa 1:06:00

That's why a lot of people will say, hey, that went to court and it got thrown out. Why is that? They had a great case, blah, blah, blah, because they didn't know how to play the game with the jurisdictions. So as soon as you um understand, inner stand, because if you say understand, you're standing under them, and then all of a sudden you're given your power to them. Just if they say, do you understand? and you say yes, you've just agreed to stand under them, they've got you. It's that, you know, this is insane. But this is this is how it's played. This is how these big corporations and um businesses get away with what they get away with because they comprehend how to play the game. Because, in my opinion, they are trained in whatever schools or education they go to, they're taught how to play the game, you know. Yes, so it's an unfair playing field. It's an unfair playing field. I really feel that that's shifting very quickly, though. It's just shifting so quickly. And gigs up, too many people know you can't put the shit back in the horse, quite frankly. It's out there. So uh, and and you know, we're getting on with the job. So people can either walk around and go, Oh, what can we do? says how many billion people on the planet. Well, if everybody said, I decline, no more, I do not comply. Everybody just wants to live in peace and have a wonderful life and adventure and and have freedom and abundance. That should be for all, not just a select few. You know, we are not cattle, we are not clones. Well, some of us might be, but um that's a whole nother conversation. So, you know, it it's just uh it's enough, enough now. We're here to explore and express and live learning and uh enjoy the ride. Let's get back to play and creativity and music and drama and dance and yeah.

Leadership, Self-Governance, And Cursive

Claire 1:07:59

This is uh such a full conversation, and there's still so many places that I want to go. Um would you just tell me a little bit more about um you you in a previous conversation you mentioned to me that you've had supernatural and intuitive experiences um from childhood that that have shaped you, obviously. Would you be willing to share one of those that laughed less uh can't roll up that left a lasting impression on you or that um that shifted your path somehow?

Teresa 1:08:40

Um I've had many uh some that I probably wouldn't want to share publicly because they were really huge. And um I'm still reconciling some of them. Oh, did that really happen? But yes, it did. Um I feel like there's just layers upon layers. It's a really big one to answer. Um let's just say that the human eyesight doesn't see everything that's around us. I I feel you know, science can back that up. Um we only see a small percentage of what we can see. I mean, you just have to look at a dog or a cat and they're watching something bounce around you, and they can see something, but we can't see them. So one of my experiences would be the fact that I can see, I can see things. And I don't always see it for a long time, but I see sometimes it's a glimpse. Um, and I would say that's really shifted me when I'm talking to a person and their eyes blink in a different direction than what we're used to seeing them blink and slide sideways, or and you just go, what? This isn't men in black, like this isn't a movie, but I've seen it too many times now over the years for it not to be true to go, okay, well, what are you? Um, who are you? What are you? And even though the being in front of me, you know, looked human and was lovely, you know, beautiful, beautiful being, I just knew and sensed that they weren't necessarily human. And I have had that experience over the years with some children as well. They have different energy. Um, doesn't mean I don't still love them and you know care for them and play with them and and do whatever. Um, but just that sense of, and that actually makes me a better educator in the sense that I need to constantly go, okay, one size doesn't fit all. If I say it this way, does that suit everybody in the room? Because you really have big classrooms these days. Um, and so I've learned to present information in many different ways so that children can tap in from any different space from wherever they're at. Um, because I know for a fact that um, yeah, where you know, people sort of say, Oh, you know, the aliens are coming. I'm sorry to say, guys, they're already here, they've been here for a very long time. And I'm just gonna put it out there because I've seen them, I've seen them. And uh yeah, so that's probably, you know, without going into details, because I think that will probably give some things away that I probably shouldn't do at this stage. All I can say is that um a lot of the things that you see in movies as propaganda, just because someone or a being in front of you looks different does not mean that they're not a beautiful, heart-centered being and that they're, you know, here to it's there should be no fear at this stage. And I feel like on the internet these days, there's a lot of propaganda and fear about all different types of races. And I well, you know, you do create your reality, so I I only have really loving beings around me anyway, at any given time, because that's what I attract. Um, but I don't buy into all of that sort of fear. So yeah, eyes are a giveaway for me because and you can usually and also entities. I know there's a lot of people who have talked about entities over the years, and there's a lot of different names that you can say for whatever an entity is, but I've taught and met and worked worked with many people that I do believe have entities in them that do come out as alternative personalities, and uh you can name it however you choose, but once again, that really is something that you need to consider. Um, and a give the giveaway for me is the left eye, actually. Usually, when I look in the person's left eye, you can tell um if there's a difference in colour or shape. Uh, darkness is usually something there, but also light, how much light is in someone's eyes as to how much they are and light being. And um it's something it's one of the first things that I do to tap into someone's energy and feel into their energy. And and quite often I see things wow. I wasn't expecting to say any of that.

Claire 1:13:17

I I can't resist.

Teresa 1:13:19

Um well, it's true though. All I can do is speak from experience. This is what I've experienced, this is the perspective that I can come from.

Claire 1:13:27

And that's why I'm so glad that you're sharing it with us. I mean, you you we really only should speak from things that are uh of our direct experience. And you know, we can we can't make claims, we can say, you know, I'm told that or I've heard that, or you know, share what we've experienced directly and you've experienced it directly. And so did you did did you always have this ability, like even as a child, or is it something that developed or um I would say yes, but I shut it down as a child.

Teresa 1:13:56

I know I could see things as a child. I I know I saw I've I've seen, I know this is gonna sound really crazy now, but I've seen whales floating in the sky. Um, like like it's like there's an ocean above us. And as a child, I have memories of lying back going, wow, look at that. And they weren't clouds, they weren't clouds. And um, I do have a distinct memory of that, but I and I only remembered that a few years ago, actually. And because I was listening to a podcast and someone mentioned it, and I was like, Oh, I've seen that. So I completely resonated with what that person was sharing. Anyone else would probably think, oh, they've gone crazy. But you know what? A unicorn could walk down the main street these days, and I would go, sure, why not? Because quite frankly, I'm questioning anything and everything, so I just don't know anymore. So, you know, bring it on.

Claire 1:14:47

I just want to go through We got to just bring Shakespeare back in because you know, he did say there's more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio, you know, and it and it's true. I think you know, we've been we've been under the veil for so long. We've been asleep, asleep for so long. And we're starting to just open our eyes. We're starting the veil is really thinning. That's my experience, you know. Um, but like, and and what's happening with the thinning of the veil is this revelation of, oh wow, there, we are really literally surrounded. Uh there's everything that we can't see that some people can see, you know, the the there we're not just living on the crust of the earth on the surface, that we're living underneath the earth. People, there are beings underneath the earth. There are there are beings living in in the oceans, there are beings living out there, you know, uh off planet and and all over the planet. I mean, you know, for me that's a given. I've never I've there's never been a time when I didn't believe in aliens or extraterrestrials. Um, that just seems like common sense to me. But um what is really exciting is um is uh seeing more and more people open up to the idea to the ideas, you know, that well, maybe reality is not what we thought it was, you know, and and the what we're really doing is questioning the nature of reality. What is the actual nature of reality? And realizing that we've been, you know, in our Truman show and just uh in such a very, very limited bandwidth of experience and kept there. We've been kept there, you know, and um waking up to what's outside of that is uh an experience that that millions of people are going to in very short order live through. And um what is that gonna bring, you know? I mean, I I don't know about you, but I feel like this is coming really soon.

Bartering Barn And Community Skills

Teresa 1:16:55

Oh gosh, yes. I'm surprised it hasn't already happened uh because energetically we've been feeling it for quite a while. And I um I think it was about four years ago I was preparing for it, and I was even looking at, I even created slides to help run workshops on the you know, the stages of grief with the disbelief and then anger and that you know, going through the whole stages up to acceptance and going, okay, I can help people in my community, I'll be able to talk them through it because I've just been through it. I've though, what do you mean it's not real? What are you talking about? And you know, I'm really logical person and going, no, I'm gonna prove you wrong. And now I'm seeing things, I've seen things in the last few years. I cannot question it. And some of it just seems so strange. Uh, but um, I've lived it, I've seen it, I've experienced it, I've felt it. And even in that space, what I've discovered is that uh there's nothing to be afraid of. We're really powerful, and we have um I think there's a fear of the unknown, but if you use your words or you're standing in intention and you are standing strong, it's like that whole rock and water thing, and you're just strong in yourself and you know who and what you are, they leave you alone. They really do leave you alone, they don't mess with you. Um, and then you can connect with elements. You know, I've had a lot of amazing experiences with our elements, particularly our air, um, you know, massive storms coming. And I can go out and just talk and say no, we want gentle soaking rain, anything that's damaging, you can you can go out to sea, we don't want you, and and you just talk to it, and it literally dissolves or goes away. And it's like, oh wow, that was a coincidence. The first two, three, four, five times. Now it's just normal. And it's not going out and demanding or commanding, but see, we've been conditioned to to pray and beg and ask. I'm sorry. No, you you just you tell, you command, you you just state it. And this is the social conditioning we've had for millennia. Like it's in our epigenetics to be this weak being where there's all these other powerful things around us that have more power than us. No, they don't. Sorry. Um, and that's taken me a long time to say that and not feel uncomfortable because I had to shed all of that belief system. At first, I couldn't even say that. I thought, oh, you can't say that. Um, but now it's like, no, yeah, actually, I can. And so, yes, I do see beings, and some of them might be dark, and some of them might be, you know, shadowy and and a bit freaky. And I'll just say no, sorry, don't think so. And they disappear, they dissolve, they go away. Um, because they can see that they're not going to get anywhere. But I have seen them attach to other people in front of me. Um, supermarkets are a freak show because you can see them attached to other people in supermarkets and walking past you. And but all of them are usually people that have got their head in their phone, they're licking their phone with their finger. Lick, lick, lick, lick. They're too busy scrolling through their phone or licking it with their finger, and they've got something attached to them because they're in their mind, they're not in their heart space, they're not present. Uh, people who are present, mate, you're untouchable. They can't come anywhere near you. Your frequency is too strong, your light is too strong. And this is what we need to have that connection to our field and to our beautiful planet. Uh, you know, with it it there's a whole cosmos out there. You can't honestly think that we are alone. That's just delusional. All programming.

Claire 1:20:46

Agreed. Agreed. That is delusional, you know, and and yet we've been taught the opposite, right? If to to see what what quote unquote isn't there to um sense and to know that uh there's life beyond our planet, uh, that that was taught to us as being delusional, right? Which is why so many of us shut up and didn't express ourselves and didn't be ourselves for so long, you know, because we also we have probably so many past life memories of dying for that, you know, and it was very, very dangerous uh to um to be real. So, you know, we carry that with us. But now it now it's safe to come out. It's safe to come out, despite what it, you know, still happens to whistleblowers and you know, people who um end up suicided and you know, things like that. Yes, it's still occurring, but my feeling is that it's generally not only safe, but absolutely necessary now for everyone to be themselves and to uh start talking, you know, start um being being real um with themselves and with one another. And same, same as you, Teresa, you were describing, you know, that feeling of at first, you know, feeling uncomfortable saying the truth, which is that we have a natural authority as human beings when we know who we are, where we came from, and why we're here. Um, it took me some time to accept that uh within myself. Um, because yeah, there is a program that says, you know, how dare you think that you have any power whatsoever? Um, that's been well ingrained in us. Uh and um, but once you let that go, it's not from a place of grandiosity or, you know, um overblown ego. It it's it comes from the heart space. And you're actually in harmony with all of creation. You know, you you're not commanding the winds to uh you're not commanding the winds to blow softly out of a massive ego. You're doing it because you realize that you are connected and that you are in harmony with all creation and that you are relating to creation from from love and uh respect, right? And um and a recognition of our connectedness. Um you know, that's what it really is. It's it's our the the knowingness of the heart that says, you know, I'm one with all of this, you know, and so why would I be cruel or unkind? Why would I be disrespectful? I'm one with all of it. So I I can stand in my authority as a human being, and I can declare my field and I can say, you know, what I will and will not uh accept. And um you know especially if it's destructive, yeah. Yeah, if it's destructive. I mean, I've met a lot of people now and and you know, interacted with a lot of people who um have you know been massively psychically attacked, and um, you know, and I know that that is going on uh for sure, but you know, it doesn't have that's that it doesn't to be open, to be aware and to be awake does not necessarily um invite as a consequence attack. If you if you don't invite that, and if you declare your field you your field protects you.

Contracts, Corporations, And Consent

Teresa 1:24:32

Uh I feel in two minds about that because um I feel like that's me today. If something happened to me today, then I've actually allowed that to happen. On some level, I have allowed that to happen. However, uh I have had um what I would call unusual attacks um over the years. And for people who are listening, they're going, what are they talking about? It's not a mugging in the street, it's an energetic attack. Um, and I've had many. One of them hospitalized me. I thought I was actually going to die one night. And interestingly, it was uh the night before I was meant to do a large um education project and I was going to present something. Bartering Barn was part of it uh to an international group, and that night this attack happened and I got hospitalized, and it was um it was wild. It was wild. I actually watched the attack in my head and I'd never had that before. I don't know how to remote view, I don't have any of those skills that different people talk about. I I know that there are people that do have those skills, but I do not. This night I actually did, and uh, it changed me forever. And so then I was going into a hospital going, oh my gosh, you know, hospitals are vulnerable places, and they're, you know, we're not lying on linen sheets anymore and and and getting out into the sun, which is what they used to do to help you heal. You're lying on plastic sheets with all of this frequency and EMF basically radiating you, and you don't know who's walking through the door because let's face it, not everyone around us is who they say they are. Um, so that was a great lesson for me because I learned how to bring out my own light and my own guardian and set my own intention and boundaries um to protect myself. Whereas today I don't feel like I need to protect myself, but back then I did. Uh, so it was a really good learning lesson. So I but I do agree with you, it's safe now. It would, it wasn't always, um, is probably where I would come from. It was not always. Some of the stuff I've seen, you know, I won't talk about it now, but I um the old me would have thought I was being ridiculous. I just would have gone, oh, for heaven's sakes, you're an educated woman. What are you talking about? Now that I've lived it, I'm here to say I'm sorry, you know, I was wrong. I'm first to admit, I was absolutely wrong. Um, and happy to be because I'm loving this, it's so exciting, and I cannot wait for these experiences to happen for everybody else so that they can get on board. It's just going to be messy, but beautiful. I mean, it's just like one of those big messy desserts, but oh my gosh, it's so delicious. So I love it. I love life. Otherwise, it's so boring. You know, what do we want to do? Go to work, come home, have dinner, watch Netflix, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Like that's not life. So let's spice it up a bit. And it's getting spicy. Jeez wheeze. Between now and the end of the year, it's you know, super finished chilies, baby.

Claire 1:27:48

So Teresa, what soul truth are you here to awaken in others? Soul truth.

Teresa 1:28:00

Oh I love that. Um I come from a space of joy and play. It's be it's my natural default personality. I I really struggle to be serious. Even when I'm serious, I still always have a big grin on my face. And and people often say, What's that secret? Like it, you know, like how Mona Lisa's got a smile because she's hiding something. It's the same sort of feel. Why are you happy? I don't know, I just am. Life's great. So I would say follow your highest excitement. And if it's not your highest excitement, it's not your path. Don't do it because you have to. I call it masturbating. So definitely not masturbating, masturbating. M-U-S-T. Stop masturbating. You know, I must do this. I must do that. No, stop. You don't have to do it at all if it's not your highest excitement. So I feel like it's follow your passion and your joy, and because your emotions are your GPS. Your emotions are telling you if you're off course, and your emotions are telling you if you're on track. And so your own body is giving you signals all of the time. It's just we have to take the time to stop and listen. So that's that's probably what's coming up for me right now. I know that part of my mission here is to inspire. It's something I've done my whole life. And I don't know how to be fake. Like I just, I'm just me, 100%, what's and all, just authentic. And you know, people judge me for that. I really don't care. That's not my problem, that's their problem. And I feel like having the courage to just be yourself is where we're meant to be. So that's what I would encourage as well. So follow your heart, get out of your head, get into your heart, follow your highest excitement.

Claire 1:29:58

Beautiful. One more question. What are you still unlearning? The list is long.

Teresa 1:30:08

The list is color-coded, Claire. It's color-coded. Um unlearning. I I'm still unlearning different programming that I've had, and I feel like it's a it's an epigenetic thing. It's something that's happened for a long time. So I'm still bumping up against um, is this me? Do I know this? Or was I told this? Do I believe it? Where did this information come from? Because there's a lot of things now that I've got this sense in my body that's a knowing. I just know there's nothing you can do to, you know, I didn't read it in a book, it's not an expert. I just know this. Um, and yet other times I'm not sure I have to sort of put a pin in it and park it because I'm not quite sure. So I'm sort of still learning the signs for me to listen to myself. Um, is definitely in that space. I feel I think there's a lot of things about being a woman and being the good girl and doing the right thing and being nice. Um, you know, nice is such a bland blur word. It should just be blown up, quite frankly, like nice. But you know, if I lo and behold, if I actually look up the real meaning, it probably means something completely different. But you know, you just have to be the nice, good girl, compliant, do as you're told, don't shake, you know, don't um don't rattle any cages. Now I'm learning to uh that I don't have to be that way, and I don't mean um become too masculine, you know, the women who are like, oh, we don't need men. Of course we need men. Uh so being feminine, but being able to uh to push back on some of that programming that you're supposed to look pretty and uh speak when you're spoken to, though that sort of stuff that's still there for females, um, for women, I feel like that is still ingrained and comes out in different situations. And then that annoys me that I just go straight back into that default personality um at times. So it doesn't happen very often every now, but every now and then it does, and it's just like, what is this? So yeah.

Claire 1:32:38

Yeah, part of that deprogramming, right? Well, yeah, when you said the word nice, it sparked something that I remembered about the origin of that word. So I quickly looked it up, and I think we can perhaps end on this hilarious note. The word nice originates from the Latin nesius, meaning ignorant or not knowing.

Teresa 1:33:02

Uh uh, mic draw, arrest my case.

Claire 1:33:07

Women are supposed to be nice.

Teresa 1:33:14

Right. Oh my god. See, this is what I mean. Like just we gotta be careful of the words we use. Don't even know what we're saying. We do not, and words have frequencies, it has coding, you can feel it. It is so important. Our language and our communication. Um, this is my next uh adventure to sort of dive more into this. Um, now I'll say a word and go, oh, it doesn't feel right. And so then I try and re sometimes I can't even find the word. The English language sucks, quite frankly. Uh, you know, I just maybe I just need to learn a different language. That'd be that'd be easier.

Note On Sequence Integrity

Claire 1:33:54

Well, I mean, the whole podcast season on exposing words for what they really are, you know, word revelation. That would be super fun.

Teresa 1:34:04

Yeah, love it.

Claire 1:34:06

Well, this has been such a delight and so joyful. It's been such a privilege to have you here in the gray space with us. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for offering your wisdom, uh, your many years of experience in education and this beautiful uh light that's coming out through your eyes and your heart. And uh it's been a real joy to have you here. Thank you so much, Teresa.

Teresa 1:34:33

Thank you, Claire. Coming from you, who's such a powerhouse, you're just amazing, such a beautiful, gorgeous being. Uh, that really means a lot. Um, love it. Thank you for asking me.