The Innerverse: Remembering That Everything Is Within

In this expansive episode of The Grace Space, Claire welcomes Rebecca Barron for a conversation exploring consciousness, awakening, healing, and the intelligence of the heart.

Enrolled from childhood in trauma-based mind control programs run by the British royal family, repeated attempts were made to suppress and separate Rebecca from her heart so that her gifts could be used to further the ends of the ruling elite. 

However, they failed.

Rebecca shares aspects of her personal journey and the profound inner transformation that led her to experience reality in an entirely different way — not primarily through external information, but through direct inner perception.

Together, Claire and Rebecca discuss the relationship between trauma and awakening, the movement from fear to sovereignty, and the idea that the answers we seek already exist within what Claire calls “the innerverse.”

This episode explores themes including:

•  Heart consciousness and inner knowing 
•  Radical self-honesty as a catalyst for awakening 
•  Relaxation, healing, and emotional integration 
•  The collective healing process humanity is moving through 
•  External systems of authority vs inner authority 
•  Consciousness as participatory rather than passive 
•  Humanity’s forgotten beauty and potential 
•  The return to authenticity and wholeness 

As always, listeners are invited to engage with curiosity, discernment, and openness — taking what resonates and leaving the rest.

Rebecca Barron is a global spiritual coach with a passion for unravelling the mysteries of consciousness and helping people transform their lives. Every day, she works with individuals from around the world to break through old barriers and embrace a deeper truth. She believes that by understanding how consciousness creates reality, we can step into our true potential and live with clarity and purpose. Her approach is simple and heartfelt, combining intuitive coaching techniques with practical insights into transformational healing. Whether you’re looking for one-on-one sessions or online guidance, Rebecca is here to support you on your unique journey.

Rebecca's website: https://findthelight-rb.com/

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

Claire 0:02

Rebecca, it's such an honor to have you here. I'm so excited. Welcome to the Grace Space.

Rebecca 0:08

Thank you, Claire. Thank you for inviting me.

Claire 0:10

Thank you very much. I've been contemplating all the things that I would love to hear you talk about and ask you about. I don't think we'll have time for all of it because there's so much, but um, why don't we begin by you sharing your background, your experiences growing up, uh, so that people can understand a bit more about you.

Rebecca 0:36

Okay, yeah, sure. Um, well, but the experiences, you know, hey, I didn't realize my growing up, um, the impact or what actually happened until I was a lot older. So um I went through an awakening, um, which many people on the planet now are going through um many years ago in my late 20s. And um with that awakening, I um what's what's actually happening is that you're connecting more with your light. So I started to connect more with myself and um realized that there were two energies running in me. There was my heart energy and there was my mental energy. And um my heart was realized my heart was the teacher who was here to teach me about who I was, and my mental side had or many perceptions of me that that wasn't true, and um, so I had to start breaking that down. And when I really started to listen to my heart, I well, first I became very much more emotional because the heart runs through emotions run through the heart as well as the mental side, but I started to become more aware of self and uh I started to realize that my emotional life not necessarily was getting triggered, but it wasn't of the day, but from childhood.

Awakening And Heart Versus Mind

Rebecca 1:55

And when I started to realize that that my reactions or how I was feeling was actually tracked back from childhood, um, I started to gain memories back, and um within those very, very painful memories um were memories of being programmed as a child by the royal family. So I had a handler, um, a man that was close to my family, and um he would um I was basically um many memories um being um basically tortured, raped, um they basically uh tried to split you from yourself. So um and in that um process um meeting the queen, uh traumatized by Prince Philip, um Jimmy Savile, uh the names that you hear about, uh Priest from the Bat again, lots of trauma, and it and it's taken many, many years for that to come through because it doesn't just oh you remember, um, and it's quite horrific remembering because it's not just like oh I remember that. It's like you it's like I had to go through the whole experience again, mentally, emotionally, physically. It was um like the whole experience of it coming out of my body, it was like going through the whole thing. But I started to piece together through the memories of what took place. So I was placed under a program that um Queen Elizabeth uh was at head of, and um the royal family were there deciding what path, what programme I would be placed upon, and then they regul that they traumatized me. Um and and it's through those memories I started to learn enormously also about consciousness. I didn't just use I started to wake up to my abilities, so I was able to connect more to myself, and I started to realize that my heart was connected to everything, so I could see, you know, uh see consciousness in a way that other people weren't able to see. And then I was like, well, everyone can do this. So I started to teach people how to connect to themselves, connect to their light, and my heart started to teach me lots and lots of things, um, um, how illnesses occur, why this world is the way it is, because it's been invaded by basically beings that um are not human, although they look human, um, but they act very inhumane because they're not human, they don't have a heart and they get taken over. Um, and unfortunately, firsthand experience with these beings, with these, which now we're all hearing about that um um I wrote a book about it that came out a few years back, a couple of years maybe ago. And although I've been talking about it many years, it's kind of a subject now that's quite prevalent in the media with everything that's going on.

Childhood Memories And Handlers

Claire 5:03

Yes, thank you for that introduction. And if I might ask a couple of questions here, because sometimes I hear the people's questions coming up in my mind. Yeah. So um it it's it's true that a lot more people are now becoming aware of how the world has been run. Um, and so I imagine the one question that people have is like, how did you as a child become identified as one who would be part of these programs? Like, who was your family? How were they connected or were they connected to the royal family? How many other children were involved in programs like this?

Rebecca 5:45

Um well, I I don't I don't know how many children are connected. Um a lot of the trauma I went through I was by myself. Although I have a memory um going to a big manor house in Derbyshire. The handler was, I was in, you know, hand I mean the handler went and um I don't know, I must have been about six six-ish, something like that. And um, as we walked through um through the the big sort of foyer, uh the queen was there and we went up to the queen and she kind of scanned me. Um it was like she had like a laser eyes and she literally scanned me and then looked towards the handler and said, She's there's something wrong with her heart, meaning my heart was still open. And um and then after that, we the handler took me into this room and it was full of children. But the children weren't like playing or jumping or talking or laughing or being children, they were just kind of standing there in a daze. And um the handler asked me to pick somebody to stand with, which I did. I picked a little boy, it was completely out of it. Um, and he tied a red string round our wrists together, and we kind of like lined up, just waited, and then um we were eventually scorted out, and by the time it's night time now, and uh a ritual was taking place. I just remember fire, but I remember the queen being there, and um, so there was lots of children in this ritual. Um, and I do remember the feeling of um a gratefulness that I wasn't gonna die. I knew that they weren't gonna kill me, but a child would be killed that night. Um and then I I also have a memory of being in a courtyard, a big courtyard. I can't even I don't know where I was. Um I can't say whereabouts in the UK I was, but I kind of woke up and there was l just lines of children everywhere, and they were all like in this hypnotic state. And I woke up going, oh no, I shouldn't have woke up, kind of thing, and trying to pretend to be in a in a different state of consciousness. But that's all I know of having my memories, and the rest of my memories are just me in a in the programme room or at the BBC or Jimmy Savile's place or um the handler's house. Um I know that um the DNA, so they look for certain DNA. Um DNA that they can easily manipulate. So the beings that they're not human because they get taken over by uh certain beings, a reptilian being, and that those beings like certain DNA because they can merge easier with that DNA. So human the human race is being sliced and diced. So our DNA has been sliced and diced with lots of ET DNA. And the reptilian obviously like their DNA, and because they can easily merge with it. So a lot of the people, like if you in the Epstein files and everything, they they're not human, the heart's gone, and a being has been they've been taken over. And um so um I assume I was selected because of my DNA. If I if I go back into it's probably horrendous, if go back the generations, it's probably horrendous stuff that's happened within my DNA.

Claire 9:37

So would you did your parents know what was happening to you when you were taken away? Were they in agreement with it? Were they how did that work? Because I know that a lot of survivors uh say that their parents sold them into programs or um that they were so chaotic that they couldn't be responsible, or they themselves were in programs. Do you know what it was like in your family?

Rebecca 10:04

I know my family life was chaotic. Um, it wasn't a healthy family. So um, and um I mean me and my mum talk about it, she has not aware, there was no awareness of it. Um, obviously aware of the handler, the you know, I used to his little girl was my best friend, so I was around their house all the time. I went on holiday with the my um but yeah, my parents wasn't aware from my knowledge. Right, okay. So I can't realize the attack. Now I can look back and see the attacks we were under. Horrendous. The whole family was under attacks. Um I didn't know that because I went through going through it myself, do you know what I mean? So when I woke up, my family started getting attacked, um, my children and myself. So um yeah, it's um it's been and obviously I have to go through the the I've had to go through the emotions with my family because they should have protected me and didn't. And um, and if that was stupidity or just you know, just not being there, they couldn't look after. Um, it was chaotic, the family life. Yeah.

Claire 11:21

Yeah. Um you you use the word handler, and I think a lot of people are just starting to get their heads around that word, you know, like a handler can be somebody that who apparently looks trustworthy, or somebody that is close to the family, or someone who appears to be normal, appears to be, you know, uh care about you, and and actually they they are also a handler.

Rebecca 11:44

Yeah, this is uh it was a respectable man in the village with a very good job, a very high-powered job. Um you wouldn't think. Yeah. Okay. And also I had uh memories at the school as well. So there was it was other uh other I was being programmed at my local primary school. So um the head would have been the headmaster at the time, like they knew. And it was a someone young doing it as well. So it was, you know, it was like people knew in the village. So I I couldn't have been the only child, you know, that was happening to in the village that I was that I grew up in.

Reconciling Public Myth With Lived Truth

Claire 12:26

So then um, okay, and I want to eventually connect this to the systems that were in the world because I think one thing that people have a hard time understanding this is to hear what happens to children, to hear that it could be happening on such a large scale is so confronting to a lot of people that they just check out, you know, they just they're like, uh, I don't want to know, I can't handle it, right? But we need to handle it. We need to know and we need to start um processing this trauma um because it's a collective trauma. And so how can um let's go back to the queen and the royal family, for example, because I know when I was growing up, my perception was the queen is a little old lady who didn't want to be queen because her uncle abdicated and then she ended up, you know, being the one who had to take the throne, et cetera, et cetera. And then, you know, you hear these stories about the the royal family and who they really are. And how do you, for a person who has never been able to let in this idea that there are other forces running the world, have been for thousands of years running the world, how do you reconcile this image of the royal family which is portrayed uh and which was portrayed, and the and the truth of your experiences and the experiences of so many others?

Rebecca 13:50

Yeah. Well, I think they're showing themselves. I think Prince Andrew's doing the round, isn't he? And it's like it slowly comes out. And I it's uh I think the testimonies that are being said um will is kind of exposing the myth, um, breaking down the illusion. We've lived in an illusion, an inauthentic world. And and part of that is because we've been inauthentic with ourselves, we haven't been true to ourselves. We've, you know, we've conformed uh to what society wants, and uh probably more from the DNA then rather than who we actually are. So the more we get true to ourselves, the more we see the lie around us as well, we will see it. So it's um I think what I've learned about reality is that the more you in the more true to yourself, the more you're honest with yourself and you see your own truth, then you start to see the truth of reality. And so it's it you don't have to force it as such, like outside of you. You can just concentrate on you. And what comes will come that's supposed to, you know, will wake you up, kind of thing. It was you'll see it.

Claire 15:02

Well, that I can totally attest to that personally. I mean, when I finally um got totally clean with myself and and stopped lying to myself about certain things and set things straight in my life with the people who were close to me that were involved. When I finally cleaned house in my own life, that's when my major awakenings began. And I didn't ask for it. I didn't, it just like the scales fell from my eyes and I could see through things that I had never seen through before. So that was when I realized, oh my goodness, I was not allowed, I couldn't see because I was in my own obfuscation, you know, not wanting to tell myself the truth about the hardest things, right? Once I started doing that, then then I could see what was going on in the world, even though I'd been doing spiritual work for years. I mean, I was in it, in it, deep in it for years. I couldn't actually, I think there's two parts of it, you know, there's this the stuff that you get right with yourself. It takes time, it takes whatever the time that it takes. And then it's like looking out and seeing reality in the world, because they're both connected to each other, aren't they?

Rebecca 16:20

Oh, yeah. We create reality. So we are the creators of the reality. So we have to understand why we're creating what we're creating. And if we want an authentic reality, it's true where we can live safely and securely, then we have to, it's our own relationship with self. So, and the more in tune you become with your own light and

Power Systems And Collective Trauma

Rebecca 16:40

your own heart, well, that brings light through your eyes. You're able to see through the the yucky stuff.

Claire 16:46

Yeah. Oh, that's really interesting. It brings light through your eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the literally the feeling that I had. So then, okay, let's come back to um, I think some people are starting to realize now, with more information coming out via the Epstein files and other sources as well, that there has been a funding mechanism worldwide uh for these bad actors um uh to perpetuate uh eons of control. And it has involved children and it has involved uh ritual and sacrifice and all kinds of uh things that are unimaginable for people who've never considered it before. Um, we're having to wake up to this reality. So I would love to hear you draw the parallels between what you experienced as a child and what you understood about, you know, this system, and then like pull out the lens again, because we can't understand that system if we don't understand our past and our history and what has been kept from us and how uh our planet and our, because this is not just the our planet, right? This is exoplanetary. It has to do with the cosmos and with other uh beings um off planet, beyond Earth. It it is such a big thing to try to get your mind around. Uh, you have to really pull out, zoom out the lens so big to start to understand, well, then why things are happening on Earth the way that they are. And I think you've been a key person for me in helping to clarify the system and why we've been in this system.

Rebecca 18:35

Um, long time ago.

A Cosmic Lens On Control

Rebecca 18:40

Long, long, long time ago. Uh this the the planet that we're on, we're all reflections of what's happened to this planet. And this planet is uh is light, just like us. Uh we are um we could we are connected to the planet through our DNA, and um but there are um it's uh realities around us that don't have that source of energy, they don't have that connection. So they um they're parasitic uh in nature, they lost connection with their heart, and our heart is what keeps our body alive, it keeps the planet alive, it uh it um it's who we actually are, it's the light. But um what these um beings outside of this reality uh decided to ignore their light, to go ego, to go technology, uh just basically what they're doing on the planet now and what the elite are. They've literally heartless, they've got no light. But if you go against yourself a time and time and time again, you'll you'll disempower your heart, you're you're not listening to your heart, or your heart will eventually, and if you're doing things that is completely against your heart, your heart's not going to support. So, anyway, the power the the beings outside, and they were like giants, uh giant stories on the planet, and then giants being here. Um, and they um they wanted to be like us, they wanted the light that we had and couldn't. And this is where so they started to parasite, and how they parasited well, first they brought aliens down, so you've got the Egyptians and everything like that, but people rebelled against them, and um but with the ETs coming here, it created uh a trauma on the planet. So the planet itself, just like if you get frightened, and if I get frightened, you go in on yourself, you get scared, so the light dims within the body, and you've got less to decode of yourself, and then you rely more on the heavy the on the outside world. So they the aliens came here and we started they started to create slavery. Like if you don't worship us, we're gonna kill you. And this started with the Egyptians. Then there was, from what I can understand, with remote views, there was an overturn because the Egyptians looked different, so they realized okay, well, we want all the source, we want, we want earth, and we want the light from earth because that is a life force for them, and we want the brain, we want their mental side as well, because that creates physical reality, because then the masculine, the mental brain creates the physical reality, our heart is what keeps it alive. So we became like batteries for them, and then they were like, Well, they need to be here on earth. How can we um take earth over without them seeing? So they created, they took our DNA and they created a being from our DNA and from technology, which is called the reptilian race, and there's lots of different types, and um, then they needed to create a huge amount of trauma in us. So, well, earth is the trauma has happened, and then it's easy access in. So a trauma creates um areas in our mind that has less light and then they can get in. And um and they take over being. So if you look at when I look at certain people around the world, politicians to famous people to lots of things that are going on, um, I see the human part, I see the the body, the vessel, um, but there's a there's a being in that. And people, well, it's human. Well it well, it's not human, and this is why they act so inhumane, um, because they're not human, just like the royal family. They're not, they don't act humane. They did they they I mean, eating babies, killing babies, all these sort of things is inhumane, and although they have a human body, but that's why they've got away with it for as long as they can have, um, because they look human, and so people haven't been able to see it. And also because I think we haven't seen ourselves, because the truth, when I go and you know, um gain my memories back or have gained my memories back or do remote views to understand reality more, it's all within my heart, it's all within your heart. It's the truth is there, but it's so horrendous, you know, um that um we're scared to connect to it. So the people that are asleep are waking up, they've stayed asleep because we've stayed asleep for so long, because it's quite a horrendous horrendous uh what's happened to us. Um but connecting up more light, we see more, more health, better health. Um, and um once they're seen, just like a trauma, once the trauma is seen, it becomes disempowered. Yeah, so the trauma doesn't so when we have a trauma that's unconscious in us, it's just running our life, and we start making mistakes and patterns happening and you know, attracting the wrong people in your life, and then you go back and look at self and it's like, oh, it's from that trauma. I had to heal, I have to heal that trauma. And the trauma gets weaker, so it's not running unconsciously anymore, it's running consciously, and then the light ashes, transforms it, like this is not, you know, I'm gonna love myself or do best what's best for me, all these sort of things, and that's what I see on a big scale. We're seeing the traumas, massive traumas that have happened, but we're only seeing it because with the light has come in, and we're seeing the horrendous stuff that's happened. So, although this is uh it's been going on for a long time, the reason we're seeing it is like when trauma comes through the body, I don't know, you must have you've done a lot of healing, but it literally leaves the body, you know, you feel it leaving, it's horrendous, yeah. And that's what I see with earth. So, although we um there's a lot of horrendous things that we're seeing, it's because it's leaving and uh the earth is healing and becoming empowered. Because what this did was uh it disempowered our heart, so it disempowered the human race, it dis they disempowered Earth, and they created a more um dominant reality. So our mental minds have become more dominant, more safeguarding to us, more controlling, because we come scared of life because of so much trauma there. So um we shut off our light because we're so scared. So when someone's scared, you kind of the heart kind of backs back down into the body, like disappears, detaches from the body, and the mind has to take over. So it's kind of like the more light comes in to wash away the trauma, and that's what's happening on earth, we're washing away the trauma with uh with who we actually are, the light beings that we are.

Claire 25:55

Well, I I mean that's uh that's thank you for your perspective on that. It it's totally uh jives with everything that I've been feeling, and I just express it in my way, but like the way I see it is that yeah, I mean it's it's like turning on the light in a room that's been very dimly lit for a long time, and you see all of the horrors in the corners because it hasn't been cleaned, and you know, you go, it's it's awful, you don't want to deal with it. But you know, that room has got to get cleaned out. You've got to get all the dead bugs out, all of the spider webs, all of the stains and the weird stuff. And, you know, it's it's it's been there. We just couldn't see it because the light was much dimmer. And the other thing that has happened in this process, which I think, you know, I'm I keep pointing out over and over again, is that we human beings have been taught to despise ourselves and despise our nature. And we've been told that we're inferior and sinful and all the ways that, you know, we could be um manipulated to be more controllable. We have a very poor view of ourselves, who we are, what our potential is. And, you know, lots of people are just really down on the human race and blaming the human race for everything that's wrong on this planet. Whereas, you know, the thing is we've been uh put into this position to and and taught to hate ourselves and taught to believe that we're at the root of all the problems. Like it's your fault that the planet is polluted, global warming, there's too many of you, you're you're always fighting each other. You know, they've programmed us to think, oh, well, we must be the problem. This is, you know, like children who who believe that, you know, it's their fault when bad things happen or their parents split up or whatever. And so we have to rehabilitate our own self-image and and understand that like um what a true human being is humane, right? Like you were saying, that's what I feel is that our original nature is very beautiful and harmonious and and in harmony with the planet and each other, and you know, um and and we've completely forgotten that.

Rebecca 28:16

Yeah, it's uh I see us as very, very calm beings, very, very calm and gentle and nurturing and and uh uh you know part of the the healing is to get back to that, so we're not in survival or um, but yeah, there's definitely been um infiltration, uh, if it's through the news, through but the big one is religion.

Religion And Outsourcing Your Power

Rebecca 28:41

Uh religion really separates uh the the heart and the mind because it really doesn't represent anything of the light beings that we are, that creates a hierarchy, and then um the reason religion with it's like uh the masculine is always the god kind of thing because we've got two energies, so the mental side is the masculine side, and then we've got the left side of the brain, which is the feminine side, so they escalate the masculine side because in the masculine in the DNA is our ancestry, and they want to keep that in place, and they want that far more dominant over the heart, and this is why they want people to pray or worship the masculine, hence a god outside of yourself, because what it does is disempowers the heart of people and then puts the masculine energy on a pedestal, so it's it's a very clever way of, and also if you're worshiping, you are uh worshiping a masculine, a god outside of yourself, you're placing your DNA up on a pedestal where your heart is worshiping that, and really we should be not worshiping, but loving the heart because that's where the intelligence is, that's who we actually are, the heart intelligence, and the mind should be the masculine, should be then transformed to who we actually are, so we represent who we are, but religion it gets us to actually stay the same and and basically stop or slow down the evolution as much as possible. So religion is horrendous, any religion.

Claire 30:14

It's been one of the biggest psyop mind controls on the whole planet and every religion, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's that that's hard for a lot of people to hear. Um but you know, we have to be able to separate what our spirituality is from any religion.

Rebecca 30:31

Um, you know, and I think that's that's where it's going, because what religion does also it keeps us in a childlike place. So it's like somebody's more powerful than us, which stops us taking the responsibility for life, what we're creating. It stops us understanding that we're creating everything that's going on in our lives, you know. And if we don't realize we're creating it, then we don't realize we have the power to change it, you know, it's just someone else will sort it out. So it keeps us very childlike. So although this is very confronting, it's actually very freeing. But people are scared and maybe a bit scared of taking responsibility because that is a process in itself. It's like, oh, I've got to take responsibility for everything in my life. Well, yeah, you kind of you do, because they're lessons. And once we start to see life as a lesson, then it's like, oh, what am I learning from this? Rather than oh, I feel victimized by life. There's a learning that takes place, and so everything is beneficial in some way, it's like finding the golden nugget and what you're learning, and then you realize, oh, actually, I needed to learn this. This is something that if it's a fear or insecurity that needs to overcome. So, although it can be confronting because it is, because that inner child in you that hasn't fully formed into an adult yet, because when we're children and there's a trauma, the consciousness, because there's rays of energy right flowing through us, so that the little child that's not grown up yet, it's just so scared. It's like I just want a mummy and daddy still, yeah. So it's looking outside of that's government, and look, we've put the trust in the government, find out they're all horrendous, hellish beings, yeah. Um, or looks outside of ourselves. I don't know about you, Claire, but on my path, every time I place my energy outside of myself and rely on something, it bites me in the ass because it's um that it's not the person that I'm angry with that has let me down, because it's leading me to trust myself, believe in myself. It's like I can't, do you know what I mean? Like if I'm holding on to somebody too long, they're gonna it's I'm gonna fall because I'm meant to fall, because I've got we're here to become empowered, we're here to trust ourselves, believe in ourselves. So although it's kind of scary letting go of mummy and daddy's hand, if that is the government or a religion or a spiritual person, you know, a guru or wherever, it's gonna happen because you want to stand, you want to feel safe within yourself, and safety is that empowerment. So it's it's it may be hard to hear, but it's we want freedom. Freedom comes with responsibility. We can't be free while holding someone's hand and going, oh, they're gonna look after me. That's not gonna happen. So if you want to be free, we have to accept that well, freedom is responsibility and it is learning that hey, I am the creator of my reality. Oh, yeah, that's you know, I mean, it's uh you we can't want one thing and leave, you know, can't just have religion and still want freedom. It's not gonna happen.

Claire 33:29

Exactly. And you know, as you were speaking, I had this memory from childhood, that moment where I was learning to ride a bike and I felt the hands leave the back of the seat, you know, because my my mom or somebody was helping me, you know, because you're like wobbly and trying to learn how to balance, right? And then that moment where suddenly you're just I remember flying, like, I'm free. And it was exactly that feeling like, I can do it, I'm independent, you know, and then you're going everywhere on your bike, right? It's that moment of realizing that you are autonomous, that you do have the solutions inside yourself, that your heart does have all the answers, that everything is coming out of here, actually, all of your wealth, all of your creativity, all of your genius, all of your beauty, your higher gifts, and everything is like coming out like a fountain, you know, out of your heart. I mean, then it's like game over. You don't buy, you don't buy the other stuff anymore. I mean, it still has a certain reality, but it doesn't have power over you anymore. Because no matter how awful and ugly and terrifying and heartbreaking and all of that stuff that's coming out, the truth of how the world has been run and why is utterly heartbreaking. And it should be for any normal human being. There has to be that period of mourning and like, oh my God, yeah, really? This is really what it's been, you know, there has to be that. And yet, at the same time, my experience and my feeling is that the heart overcomes all of that. I mean, there is nothing that can stamp out that light completely. And when it starts to shine and it starts, you start to let it out, you hold everything in that balance. You know, you can hold the worst things in the world because we contain it all anyway, don't we?

Rebecca 35:24

I mean, it's and also I think before we come here, we know what we've been born into. Yeah. So when I look at um if it's the coming in or leaving, we kind of know the DNA has been screwed up. This world is a mess, you know, it's been a mess. And it's like, okay, well, we still can't, because we believe, yeah, because we know the power of the heart, we know the power of light and how it's trans it can transform the DNA, and that means transforming the physical world, and that we can do it. And um, it's just when we get in, we start to believe the DNA. And we're like, oh, you're not powerful. Oh no, no, you're small, you're insignificant, and and then that's what we've got to unlearn. We're not small, we're not insignificant. Um, they wouldn't work so hard, they work a lot to keep us mind controlled.

Claire 36:13

Exactly.

Rebecca 36:14

Yeah. If they if it if we were small and insignificant, it would uh it'd be a breeze, you know. We wouldn't uh um they wouldn't because they work a lot, they work very hard.

Claire 36:26

So that's I I feel like this whole matrix is for us, actually. It's to contain who we are. What do you mean? What contain the light? Yeah, to to, you know, everything, the all the control systems, everything that we live inside, this whole elaborate matrix that has been built has been built to it's for us. It's to it's been built to contain and to suppress who we are.

Rebecca 36:50

Yeah, yeah. All the systems, if you look at you imagine like everyone becoming independent and free, and that's where we're heading. That's why people are waking up because the earth woke up and we're following the planet. So the earth is like, I want I've had enough, and then we've like, Mama's woken up, okay. So people start waking up, the frequencies are changing, we follow the energy of the planet, and then the systems that we have had in our mental brain to keep us suppressed are also breaking down through the healing. So that is also a representation of the systems on the outside of us. So um to keep us small, keep us, you know, if you look if it's the government, it's the educational all these systems is to keep us in childlike state, to not grow up, and um and I think that's gonna that's breaking down individually in when you heal, you break down the systems, the protections, the um, and then obviously that's on the outside. Yeah, so it's exciting times, like really it is because yeah, seeing we've been talking like what years, and it's like now we're like seeing it, like the actual horror. I mean, I think I did a celebrity YouTube video probably like eight years ago, and now it was saying about everything that was going on in Hollywood and stuff, and and um you know, and people, oh you're crazy, and a lot of people followed me, like people followed me and listened, but now it's like well, it's all there to be seen now. Do you know what I mean? Because um, and that that I was you know, I was seeing that this was gonna happen that and do you know what else? So all the yucky stuff, obviously, that's gonna come to light, and what I see is that our brains have been cut apart mentalized, so because it hasn't had full light, it's had to have an understanding of what reality is, so belief structures, and that's not really true to ourselves, and our mind and our reality is being cut apart mentalized. So, we obviously we live in a reality, but it's lots of different realities within it. So you've got the the awakened reality or the sleep reality or the elite reality, you've got you know, there's lots of different realities, and we all kind of we stay together. I don't know you, but mostly I attract people that are awake, you know. I mean, I've got my family, but you attract people on the same frequency level. So, what I see happening is that that carte part mentalization that is within us is breaking down where the mind reflects the light of us. That means what's happening on earth also is that the carte mentalization is breaking down. There's not going to be different sections of reality, there will be one reality that represents the light, um, which is really exciting. So that means everyone's gonna wake up and everybody's gonna, yeah. So everyone's and I I feel what I see is like life is about learning about who we are, because once we've done with the traumas and breaking down all the protections we've had, you start to go, oh my god, we're beings of light, that great physical world. And then once all that trauma's done, then the fun stuff becomes, you know, it's like um, oh god, it's not just our life. Oh, we've had many, many lives, we've had many experiences, we've had, you know, and I probably look, Claire, and we've probably met before because when I met you, I was like, I know this lady, you know.

Claire 40:15

I felt when I heard you speak.

Rebecca 40:17

I was like, I got her so much beauty to calm. Like people don't need to be frightened of it. We're just getting rid of the yucky stuff. But the beauty is to make way for the beauty. So, like when you heal a trauma, you have to break down all the protection, you know, and that could be being really busy or or drugs or alcohol or all the yucky stuff to keep you away from your heart, from your emotions. But when you break that down, that coping mechanism and face that pain, the pain comes out, and then the light comes with it. And the light is vitality, it's joy, it's happy, it's so. Although it's a transitional time, we're going through that transitional time because there's so much light that's to come. Yeah, it's not going to be yucky for everyone.

Claire 41:04

Oh, you know, that's so thank you so much for saying that. Because that's another thing that I think is slowing things down, is that people are afraid. And I think we have this ancestral memory of other cataclysms and other the ends of cycles where the things didn't, you know, um open up the way that they're going to. And we have this, you know, this feeling like, oh, the other shoe's gonna drop. This is it, this is the end, you know, and and so there's this fear and avoidance and wanting to like not know it and still be asleep and all of that. It's that's because we we have that memory, I guess you would say, in our in our DNA, right? You know, that's the DNA that's like, yeah, yeah, remember all the other times? Doom, doom, doom, be very afraid, right? That's

DNA, Light, And Inner Balance

Claire 41:50

also going on in people. And I'd love to hear you talk more about DNA because like DNA, I mean, okay. So George uh Kavasilis says, uh, he's uh do you know who George is? He's he's a he's a a teacher in a well, I don't know how to describe George. He's just George, but he says, he says, you know, uh I'm in, he's he's Australian. I'm not gonna do a bad Australian accent, forget that. Cut, could cancel. Um, he says, I'm here, I don't know about you, but I'm here to transcend DNA altogether. And I've always been very um intrigued by what he means by that. In other words, you know, uh the that the the two strands, uh some people talk about going back to 12 strands, awakening the old DNA and stuff like that. And and and he and he says, well, actually, we're gonna those strands are gonna merge and we'll just transcend it all together. We don't need that. That's that's like a totally new idea. What's your take on DNA?

Rebecca 42:52

Um our light transforms the DNA. So um the more so what I see is like the mental side, the physical side of life is the DNA and the light. So your mom and dad got together, created a baby, and you're in the the body's in the belly, and your light from her comes in, so comes and joins the body. So your light and your DNA is separate. Your light can live without your DNA. Your DNA needs the light in order to survive. Our light, who we actually are, is here to transform, because obviously the DNA doesn't just hold frequencies of our parents, our ancestors, all your ancestry is in your DNA, the whole physical reality, the the um multi universe is in the DNA. Everything's within the DNA. And we've come here to transform the frequencies, especially the alien frequencies that go against the human race, because they've created that the mind goes against the heart, it abuse victim mindset to keep the so we're we're programmed or have been through many. Generations and for the mind to be dominant and abusive towards the light, towards the feminine. Yeah. So we're here to actually become where the feminine becomes empowered. And so we're into the women on this planet become empowered, respected, and the man, the masculine, um, we're just a reflection of that. The masculine side becomes the the learner, it learns the feminine, learns who we are, because if we come into bodies that tell us who we are, like you're this, you're small, you're insignificant, and it can't destroy the DNA. We can transform the DNA. And and the heart becomes empowered and goes, No, I'm not this, I'm this. That means we the mind has to listen to self, the mind has to listen to the light, and it's where truth comes in. You know, we have to be truthful because the truth will always link us to our heart, the truth of things, you see.

Claire 44:53

Yeah. So we've internalized the abuser. I just did a a podcast on this recently, you know, how we've internalized those systems within ourselves, and we uh we have been abused, and so we internalize the abuser within ourselves, and the the mind abuses the heart, you know, suppresses who we really are.

Rebecca 45:15

Most people struggle with areas of their brain with their abuse of self, and then you know, if you look at reality, the abuse of self then creates a reflection of abusive relationships, and it's mainly the man abusing the woman, not in every case, but it's because the mental side of us, you have a woman, if she's got a man that's abusing her, she'll have a mental side abusing her, and she allows that abuse in because we've normalized abuse, we get born into abuse, and so the abuse goes down, and then it's our um journey to actually find um that love for ourselves and our self-worth and our self-value and all that, to then the to get the mind and the the heart balanced with each other, where the mind, the masculine, like is supporting the heart, loving the heart, and and the the heart is not scared. You can come into the body and experience the body be free within the body.

Claire 46:14

That is so beautiful, that is so true. I can feel it right now. I mean, this is like I I I felt it started happening in myself when my mind suddenly became an ally and it was like, let's go into the heart, right? Let's it wants to honor the heart now. I mean, not always. There's times when I'm I get lost, you know, but I've noticed that more and more if I start to feel anxious or like uncomfortable or whatever is going on, the mind is starting to defer to the heart now, right? And so it's actually coming into its rightful place. And and then the heart can step out. And and it reminds me of just something else uh George said. He said, you know, this planet is feminine, this planet is a woman. And, you know, in the future, leadership is going to be feminine, and the men are gonna have to step back and lit listen and learn from the women. And I know he's not just talking about uh men and women, gender, you know, he's talking about the masculine and the feminine and the mind and the heart. It makes total sense. Yeah.

Rebecca 47:20

Because the heart is us, it's the earth, it's who we are, it's the human race. So the heart has to become empowered, and then when the heart's empowered, it overturns the heart, you know, frequencies in the mind that's not meant to be there. So um, yeah, it's uh it will become uh an empowered, empowered planet, and then the um we will follow.

Claire 47:43

Yeah.

Resets, Remote Viewing, And Earth Memory

Claire 47:44

So the um to just to go back into uh history a little bit, the this is something that really intrigues me because um it, you know, that feeling when you wake up in the morning and you know you had a big dream, but you can't quite remember it, and you're like, it's just on the edge, but you can't quite remember the details. That's how I kind of feel about history right now. And I'm I'm just you know realizing oh we've been reset a bunch of times, and it somehow we've been we've been wiped, our memory has been wiped uh of you know the long history of humanity on this planet and what has happened over many long cycles of time, eons and eons of time. And that that is one way that we've been disempowered, I guess, because we don't have context, you know, we don't understand what came before and what it has to do with what's happening now. What when you consult your heart, when you remote view, and I really enjoy the way that you talk about remote viewing, you you talk about it as you know going into your heart, right? Um, sometimes I think remote viewing can can be perceived quite mentally by people, especially people who don't know it, haven't done it. But um what do you understand from your heart, from what you've remote viewed about the the history of the planet, the the forces that came in? We don't have to get super specific, but like what are the big uh lines, you know, Alfred Draconis and all of that stuff and the history of our planet.

Rebecca 49:27

Um yeah, I see this as like a reincarnation because we've lost Earth, or I think this is the fourth incarnation. We've lost Earth through the horrendous energies, and so that's also experimenting. They've been experimenting with Earth and the people on Earth, and they realize we can't go too low because Earth will disappear, she'll just die, she can't take it anymore. And um, and then if Earth dies, the whole universe dies, and then it's a start-up again.

Claire 49:59

So I do see this as can you go back to what you just said? If Earth dies, the whole universe dies. Is this about the fractal nature of our planet and us?

Rebecca 50:10

This is uh it's fascinating. So when I look at Earth, so when I go into Earth, so when I remote view, I go inside myself, and um your heart, my heart, is connected to the planet, connects to all, you know. And when I'm in the inside the plan, inside myself, go inside the planets like this a Russian doll. Um, the planet, this planet is it projects out the whole universe, this universe. So she's the mother of the universe. So if I if someone goes, can you go to this planet? I don't go outside there, I go within her, and I'll find the planet inside her. So these like like two suns and everything. Yeah, there is a sun inside Earth, and she projects the it's like it's fascinating, absolutely just like us, yeah. So it's like you're trying to sort out your problems in your physical reality. Actually, your problems are inside you, yeah. And that's the same with the planet we're on. So everything is within, and um so this planet is um, and she's like the the generator, you know, she's the big boom kind of thing uh that generates so um it's they've um they've lost Earth through the abuse that has happened. Uh she's given up, and um and then but it reincarnated like we've reincarnated, we've come back. Um or you may be a being that hasn't been on Earth before, it's it's not, but um yeah, there's so the reincarnation that's taking place, and obviously the the the the the DNA is still there, so it's just a continuation of okay. Um and then what I also see is like uh with the slicing and dicing of the DNA, so back in time to get um it's like a sort of the same they took the DNA, they took our DNA. I mean they took beings from this planet, human beings, took them and took them into their world, and they took their DNA and then sliced it and dice it technology to create the reptilian race. So traumatized DNA, because any DNA that hasn't got light is trauma, there's no, you know, so it's distorted, and um and then um got gone a bit lost.

Claire 52:34

When you say they are you referring to the waters, what I what you call the waters?

Rebecca 52:39

Yeah, the giants.

Claire 52:41

Okay.

Rebecca 52:41

And where did they come from? I don't know actually. I just know that it's like it I see it's like another universe next door to us. So I see us we live in a universe, um, but we live in a multi-universe, a bit like a honeycomb. Yeah, so it's like this tiny little thing down down this mole. You imagine the honeycomb, and you've got all these bit like a brain, it's very similar. So our brain, and it's got lots of carp and carp mentalizations. Well, then it goes on to the universe, is like so there's different realities. So the reality next door has is a parasitic reality, it it parasites up our reality, and um, and then it's like we they break through and they um they place stuff in our reality that shouldn't be here. I think uh the boons here they placed in to basically change the frequencies, the mental frequencies to change the frequencies so they slowed time down because our mental side, the physical reality, the masculine consciousness creates physical reality, which also creates time, and they need to slow it down so they could uh be here more comfortably, um, to slow because um they needed the frequencies low. So they did that, and I don't I'm not technical, but it's something to do. They I saw them bring Earth uh bring the uh moon here, and that affected all the mind of the people on the planet. It kind of it kind of Earth, uh the mind of the human race started to radiate at a different frequency from the heart, so we lost connection to our hearts. Okay, yeah. So people come to me because we've got millions of connections between the heart and the mind, the left brain, right brain. And we've got to connect back up to ourselves, yeah. But you know, it's like the heart is like I'm a being of light, and I'm I'm never listened to, and I've got all this intelligence, and the mind's like, Oh, I don't love myself, I'm not going there. I don't want to feel any, I don't want to feel anger, I don't want to feel any emotion kind of thing. And then I go in and go, Okay, this is what's going on, right? So you've got that health issues because you've got anger at your mother or something, you know, it could be so I just able to, but the original how it started is that the mind of the human race was brought out of sync through frequencies that were brought to this planet, so the mind started to tuning into another reality, tuning into a frequency that wasn't us, it wasn't from the heart, it was tuning into alien frequencies. So we started to decode an alien frequency rather than the heart of us, and that's what we're we're doing now. So, like when you're like in tune with yourself and you're aligned with yourself, and you're just like, you know, life just flows through and life is easy. Yeah, you have those lovely days, and it's just everything's flowing, synchronicities, and everything's great. And then when we're not in those days, because the mind is off, and it's like if you look at reality, all they're trying to do is get your attention. Look at this, look at that, look at this, look at that. Tune your mind because your mental mind creates physical reality, so they utilize the masculine energy that we create because it radiates around us, and they want it outside of us, if it's the TV to get us to believe the world is a certain way, so we then create it and see it that way. Absolutely so if we tune into us, we have to tune into our own hearts, and that's what so what happened back then, many lifetimes of earth ago, we're still we're trying to heal now today, right?

Claire 56:21

Right.

Frequency Warfare And Attention Hijacking

Claire 56:22

An alien frequency, yes, and it reminds me of the frequencies that I see in the clouds, because that frequency warfare has been used on us forever, and they're still using it, aren't they? I mean, the the the stuff you hear in your ear, and uh I I mean, I don't know, I I do I hear like frequencies in my ears sometimes, almost all the time, actually. Um, I see the uh ripples in the clouds, it's like something is being broadcast. There is actual mind control through frequency warfare, and it's been active for a very, very long time. Isn't that the case? Yeah, yeah.

Rebecca 57:04

There's uh the light of us can overturn it, but the light of us has to become empowered. So you become empowered, you're like, Yes, I can heal, then it brings the heart up in yeah, I can do this, yeah, I can heal, I can I can heal my body, I can, I can confront my trauma, I can, you know, if the if the heart has room in the body where she can be felt and seen, then she will transform that DNA. She will trans and she's much you think everything is created from consciousness, yeah. So consciousness is the biggest, strongest, most powerful energy in the world. Technology is subservant to that. It's uh it's it can it's never stronger than that. But if you believe that you're disempowered, if you believe that you're little, that you're small, that you are not the creator, that somebody else above you is the creator, hence the mental mind, the masculine mind, then the masculine mind, the physical reality, is more dominant than the inner world of you. So we have to get the heart of people like, no, you are the most powerful, your heart is the most powerful, but we've forgotten how powerful we are. And then that it's like getting that power up and up, the feminine empowered within us. That's man, woman, child, you know. Well, just women, uh, children probably already know.

Claire 58:24

Yeah, right. And that's what you teach people, right? I mean, that's what you teach people is how to get the heart back uh online. I hate even using that metaphor, it's just the first one that comes out. But like, yeah, like how getting the heart to radiate again and feeling safe because what it does is so beyond uh the machine mind, you know, linearity and flatness of the techno of the technological or synthetic side of things, right?

Rebecca 58:54

Yeah, yeah. I think I think um once fully the the DNA is overturned in the human race and the fact that we've transformed it and it starts, people just go bang, bang, bang into their they're not, there's nothing in the DNA that goes against them, and their heart and their mind are working together, love and respect and uh realize who they are, then these frequencies won't be there. You you know, because the symbolic relationship between the heart and the mind will be so powerful that any frequency that doesn't um help that dance who won't be dancing with it, it will just but it doesn't need anything else. We don't need anything outside of this frequency. Unfortunately, the beings that have been manipulating, abusing, and everything for the technology and everything, they need us. They have a death that we don't have. Like when we leave our body, our light descends back into the soul, which is back with everything else. They don't have a soul, they've got nothing. They were designed in labs, they're not organic. So when they die, they they were just created to take over the human race, you know, to uh like uh use us as batteries. So once we become everyone becomes empowered or starts at the process, uh that process which is happening, where do they go? They've got nowhere, they've got nowhere to go. They can't align with another species because they've aligned with our DNA, you see. So literally they're on their survival. This is why the we look at the elites and it's like, oh, they'll go and live forever, you know.

Transhumanism And Fear Of Death

Rebecca 1:00:33

Because that's the transhumanist movement, right?

Claire 1:00:35

Like they want to let everybody turn into cyborgs, that's their way of perpetuating their lives indefinitely and still taking advantage of our energy, isn't it?

Rebecca 1:00:44

Yeah, yeah. And the reason they go that way because they're so scared. Because when the mental mind has has disconnection from the heart, the mind goes in survival, it is literally dying, you know, it's it's slowly dying, it's like got no light, so it goes into survival mode. Well, they've got no heart, so they're literally in survival. So the only option is well, parasite of others, technology, and then it's like I've got to live forever because they've got no home to go back to. They've got there's no there's no home, so they're oh, we've got to live forever then. How are we gonna do that? And that's how that comes along. Yeah, there's no safety in them, there's no security, there's no where we can go into our hearts. I did the beautiful journey the other day on Find the Light. So I just someone was asking about when we die, do we see angels and all these sort of things? And I'm like, no, it's a hierarchy, you are everything, but anyway, I did this journey of descending back into where we where we come from. Claire, it was the most beautiful thing ever. It was just nurturing and love, and we get we get told to be frightened of death, yeah, yeah, and that gets projected onto us, um, and has been for a very long time. You're going to hell, all these sort of things, or heaven, depending on if you're good or bad, and that's a programming, because obviously good and bad, well, we're here to be silly, make mistakes, you know. But little kid is like, I want to be good, and obviously, you know, we get put in a bad box, so we get frightened, and then we get frightened of death, and we get, but really, death is throughout life as well, because we're transforming all the time, so parts of us has to die, you know. So if they get us to fearful death, that's fear transformation. Because yeah, because with the death, there's always life after through ourselves, more light comes in. So, like with my healing and helping other people heal, there's a death of a certain frequency within them, and uh they have to surrender into their light for the light to come through. So get them frightened of death. Oh god, then they're not going to transform, you know. So death is always linked to life.

Claire 1:02:49

Well, and they're also projecting their own fear of annihilation onto us, aren't they? Because I mean, if they have no souls, I I can't help but feel for them. I mean, there's a part of me that's like, is there no hope for these beings? I mean, can they can they is there any way for them to redeem themselves or any any path for them in that direction?

Rebecca 1:03:12

I have I have looked at this. Um the thing is they because they don't have a heart, um, they can't take responsibility for themselves because they've got nothing to take responsibility for. So the mind, when you when you're being responsible, it's when the mind is responsible for the heart, and the heart is responsible for the mind. Well, they're just living on mind. So that the reflection, so why we can reflect at our behavior, and we have to do that in here, we're reflecting all the time. And why are they this and that and no? Why did I react like this? They don't have that, they don't have it like that. They can't they can't, they only see one way, the mind they see one way, where the heart can see lots of things from many different perspectives, can go around a situation that's happened and see it from many different angles, but the mind is very limited to seeing it. So they're kind of it's it's not, I didn't say it's not impossible, I didn't say again, it's not impossible, but it is so slow and so hard that it's um yeah, it's it's not like us where we can transform.

Claire 1:04:13

Right. I mean, the physical heart is beating in a if you see something, you see what looks like a human being, but it's actually inhabited by one of these psychopathic um parasitical presences, the physical heart is beating and it it must be generating a toroidal field if it's beating, but it's not it, it's not in it. How how does that work?

Rebecca 1:04:35

I mean so what takes place is that the the child will get traumatized, and then that the consciousness, so like healing, you know, it's from healing, you go back to that inner trauma where that the consciousness stops at five or seven or something, two years old, and then you kind of um allow that car heart to the child to have a voice, how you feel about something at that time, and then more light comes in. Well, they get so traumatized that the heart just stops at like four, five, seven years old kind of thing, and then the slow the the reptilian comes involved, the reptilian takes over, so they've they've got the energy, a small amount of energy from the individual that's kind of trapped in the body kind of thing, and then then the reptilian. So the reptilian it's not enough light for them, obviously, it's not enough light, so they need to so they hook on to people through their spine. So these beings take over the whole the body, which is the human body, take it over, and then they attach to people. So you get the parasitic relationships, the dysfunctional relationship. So you're if you look at like Elon Musk or you look at any any anyone, they will be attached to lots of people energetically decipling their light away from them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Claire 1:06:02

And so the human soul is is still in there somewhere, but kind of in the background, no longer able to um to function.

Rebecca 1:06:11

Yeah. This is one, it's like uh one the human soul just completely disconnect. Do you know what I mean? Like just connect and um, but they it yeah, it doesn't, I suppose. It just stays there, it just stays. Um so that's yeah, that's a question I've asked. I have I haven't done a journey, but it is a bit um, why would that happen? You know, why would you know allow that to take place, consciousness to take place? Why would that take place? And it may be that the consciousness is like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get my mind back, I'm gonna get my body back, you know, because if I if I look at anybody, um they're not fully in their body, it's part of the process of getting into the body, you know, it's part of the, you know, and um you know people are not um it's very rare that I see somebody be taken over by a reptilian, but they've been taken over by belief structures of them or frequencies that are not them. You know, they'll have frequencies from their mom, their dad, their you know, ancestral frequencies that will come in, and part of the process is to actually hook up back to the body and like, no, this is mine, and I feel this. This is how I experience reality, this is what who I am. So the mind starts decoding themselves rather than itself. So um, yeah.

Claire 1:07:32

So, I mean, there's I guess what we should try to understand too is that you know, it's all on a scale, isn't it? You know, I mean, there's there's beings who have been like completely taken over for all intents and purposes, they are, you know, possessed by these parasitical energies, but to some extent, we've all been invaded by it because we've internalized the structures and their way of thinking. And I always come back to that quote uh from Don Juan, you know, from um the books about uh Don Juan, where he's explaining their the the mind of the predator, and he says that they they gave us their mind. You know, and so we to some extent we're all having to heal from and disconnect, disentangle ourselves from what isn't us, what is alien, you know, what is not human originally, so that we can, you know, fully inhabit our humanness again. Um yeah.

Rebecca 1:08:35

Yeah. Listening to self, feeling who we are, allowing those emotions to come through. And um, yeah, it's really being the detective of self. And life shows you, you know, life will show you, life will trigger you, life will will show you. Like you've got you made that decision, and you know, you've woken up to see yourself, to understand yourself. So it's it's uh it's a natural, I mean, it's not natural that we've got, you know, DNA that's not fully human, or um obviously the world is not how it's supposed to be, but it is natural for us to understand about ourselves and allow reality to show us who we are and you know what we like about ourselves, what we don't like about ourselves, the pain that we carry, um, and allow that to come out and not be frightened of our emotions. Um because it it kind of gets stored within the body, you know. It's like we, you know, to and we're here not to just survive, we're here to live and enjoy life, you know.

Claire 1:09:38

And if we can come back from this, like if we can come back from this level of distortion, not only, you know, the DNA and the human, but the but the earth and everything that's been done to it, if all of that just fades away as the light grows, that what is what is more you know uh demonstrative of the ultimate lesson and remembrance of wholeness and purity that can never be corrupted than coming back from the state that we've been in into a state of wholeness again.

Rebecca 1:10:10

Yeah. It's like uh you know a child being born into beauty and gorgeousness, and then it goes in the family go into hell, and then they climb out of hell into that beauty. You definitely hang on to that beauty, appreciate that beauty far more. Yeah.

Claire 1:10:29

Yeah, exactly.

What Rebecca Senses Is Next

Claire 1:10:30

So, what do you see, Rebecca? Um I I mean, I can I sense and I feel, and one of the reasons I love watching your videos and you know, um being part of what you share is that um you really um bring through the light, and and I really feel the truth uh through what you share, that you know, that all of this ugliness is a temporary um, you know, something that we have to work through and and see, recognize, name, and and transcend um by by the truth of who we are. So what what do you see and sense is coming this year? Like what's in store for the I mean, I'm not asking to make any predictions, I'm just I'm asking for your felt sense of what what's coming.

Rebecca 1:11:23

Um well it's all good. It feels it feels that the planet becomes self-empowered this year. She finishes her journey this year. So then I see people following suit, so people on the healing path finish their journey. So that means that all the healing within their consciousness, within their brain, um is healed. So they're not manifesting difficult situations in order to heal the inner child. They go on to let's live. So they go from a state of survival, confusion, who am I, all these sort of things, um, to into living. Um I see the systems, so we have systems, the religious system, the banking system, all these systems, war, all these sort of things going crazy and breaking down. It's um, but I don't feel it feels that the light of us and the planet is helping with that process where waking people up very gently. Like I would kind of like bang, like someone hit me in the face, and then it was just like tumble. But I just see lots of people waking up like gently, oh yeah, I know that. That's yeah, it's far more gentle, and everyone coming on to the same page. That car mentalization is breaking down within us, and also on a bigger scale, so everyone is going to be awake, and then it's like um just a lot of lovely energies, just joyful, living. Um, but obviously, people have got their own the earth, the atmosphere is changing because the planet is changing, and as the planet becomes empowered, I just see like a boom, like a boom of light comes, and that cleanses everything, just like the light in us, your heart, your light that comes through the body from the spine up, it cleanses the body. It's so the more light your emotions are actually the detoxer of the body, it detoxes the body, and that's why I see the planet. So, as this all this light comes through, more and more light comes through, it detoxifies the planet and the atmosphere, and they need certain frequencies to be in this atmosphere, and if and um, and to also so but that light cease. So, when I look at reality, I had this amazing experience when I was in having my awakening, and it kind of stunned full circle. So, I had my like late 20s, and I was in Asia and I was on a bus, and I was in the midst of my awakening. I, you know, um, just my heart was booming through me, and I was seeing reality very differently. And I was going over a bridge, and there was just this mothership over Kuala Lumpa, huge mothership, and I didn't even know why I called it a mothership. It that was just the name that came to me. It was a mothership and it was stationed, it was ugly, it was horrible. And I was just like, Oh my god, how can people not see this? And then everyone was asleep on the bus. And um thank God, because I'd probably look like a crazy woman going, there's a mothership, and people wouldn't be able to see it. I was just in a different state of consciousness where I could see it. Well, that's what I see all over the planet, all over these cities, all over the world, these motherships, and I see that the light is gonna show up these motherships. This is like the other reality interfering with our reality. If it when I was um a child, um I was in a room with Jimmy Savile. It's quite a horrific story, but he um he was interacting with another reality. Beings were coming out of him to in it, you know, and he um he raped me, he um um he was doing this ritual over me. And um these what called the the giants, the watchers came through to watch this ritual taking place over me. And um obviously we don't see the alien reality because it's vibrating at a frequency that we don't see. But when the light comes in, we will be able to see it, and they won't be able to stay because they hide in the darkness, they hide with oh, we won't, you know. So, like our light within our body is showing up all the light in our brain, it's showing up all the police, all the insecurities, the traumas, everything, and we're going into every single room and we're putting light to it. Well, that's the same the planet, the light's coming in, and we're gonna see all the darkness, so all the Epstein stuff, all the royals around the world, all that where people wake up. Why do we even have a hierarchy? This is insane, you know. The more you get connected to your heart, there's no hierarchy, no hierarchy in your heart, and we should our heart should represent reality. So I just see a lot more where that reality has to go because they can't stay, yeah. Because the light coming through also means the heart's become empowered, it's not frightened of the physical reality anymore. So we've we're not going to be fearful of what we're here to face, and with that, with that, just seeing and being fearless as the heart shows what what we're living, it will it will transform so that the yucky energies will be no more.

Claire 1:16:48

Right. So uh, and just to clarify, when you say mothership, you were describing not a friendly presence because a lot of people associate that, you know, oh, they're out there, the aliens, they're here to help us, you know. And I mean, of course, there are uh friendly, you know, there are friendly civilizations friendly to us, but um the what you're talking about is this sort of the imposition of this like breathing down our neck metaphorically for thousands of years.

Rebecca 1:17:15

Yeah, it's basically the reptilian world and uh above us, yeah. Right, right, yeah. So it's um although we don't see it, it's there, it's uh it's there, it radiates down upon us, you know, and they tell us to religion look up to God in the sky. Yeah, well, they radiate, they they're there in the sky. So we're looking up to power towards them, and and then you know, down is hell, but within us is is the light.

Claire 1:17:47

Right. We we've just got to um release that entire cosmology. Uh it's like one my experience is like one structure after another, they're just layered on top of each other, you know, and yet no, it's not that, no, it's not that, no, it's not actually it's nothing that you were told. Nothing. Throw it all out at the beginning, right here.

Rebecca 1:18:10

It's really just unlearning everything. Yeah. And the mind is designed to do that, you know, we're designed to the mind is there to learn from the heart. So it has to forget everything. But with the the fear that we've had within the DNA, like frightened of who we are, you know, um, it's like it's it slowed down the learning. So it's like when I look at people or do a QA in a remote view, it's like I don't know anything. It's like the the canvas is blank, and um and then see what I see. And I think that keeping that innocence and that curiosity also with self and don't be frightened, um, which actually help you understand yourself on a much larger scale.

Claire 1:18:52

Yeah.

Rebecca 1:18:53

So the things that we tell ourselves who we are are really a lot of it's just being lies. Yeah, yeah.

The Simplest Practice: Relax And Feel

Claire 1:18:59

So, what would be a good way for someone who is feels like, well, I don't know what to do to connect with myself. What do I what's the simplest, what's the simplest way?

Rebecca 1:19:13

Relax. Jenny, people's brains, mental brains, are vibrating at a different frequency, different frequency from the heart. You know, mine's got a lot to do. It's like, okay, I've got to get this done, this done, I've got to go work, I've got look after kids, I've got, you know, um it's got um, and um and also um so it's relaxing. It's it's relaxing, it's allowing yourself to relax and also feel your body, like feel, don't be scared of feeling, like any emotion. We all we all feel a certain range of emotion, like a rainbow of emotions, but people cut off and go, right, I'm not gonna feel that. And then what happens is the brain goes, Oh, that's frequency I am feeling. I've got a barrier up against that frequency. So, what it does, if you decide, right, I'm not gonna feel grief, pain, anger, it doesn't just cut off that, it cuts off lots of lovely energies as well. So, you kind of like to get the heart to communicate to the mind one the mind, the heart needs a safe place, yeah. So berriating yourself or pulling yourself down, or you know, the uh no, it's how you talk to yourself, and um, so becoming aware of yourself and how you treat yourself. I remember um the process. Um, I had you know two kids, little ones, and everything it everything went to them. I remember being in a charity shop and um very little money, and I I wanted a DVD, it was 50p, it was 50 pence, and I kind of picked up and go, No, no, I won't, no, no. And I walked out of the charity shop and I was like, I need to spend 50p on myself. I mean, it's like the you know, it was like I was there, I was there, like I was like the last of the last, you know what I mean? So, what's they're doing? The mind's like going, you're not worth it, you know. Although you experience that movie, you're not you're actually not worth 50p. You know, it's like people, we have been programmed to be in a slave society, so everybody else is far more important than oneself, and that is uh that's from slavery, and then people that stand on their mind get card to, and people that stand in their heart consciousness are the other slaves, so it's like um depending on where on you where you are in your uh in your consciousness, where you stand, will depend on what you experience. So it's we have to get out of that with a mind actually like the biggest trauma I see in people is not being seen or being seen, you know, being seen, being valued. So we have to see ourselves and value ourselves. I mean I mean being seen is the heart. Obviously, we can't see the heart, but we can feel the heart, and that's being seen. So our emotions allowing our emotions to come through. So that means maybe talking about the heart conversations we don't want to talk about. It may be um and but relaxing first to allow the emotions to come through because stress can take us out the frequency of the heart. So this is why the heart is such an amazing, we are so amazing, like we cleanse the body, and this is why do you know like you go on holiday and you get sick? You know, why do you go on holiday and you get sick? Because you start relaxing, so the brain, the mental side, starts to relax, so it connects to the heart, the left side of the brain, and the light starts to follow through, and then it starts cleansing all the yucky stuff out of the brain, out of the body, and this is why we get sick because we relax, it detoxifies ourselves, detox. I only imagine that's what had in my awakening, is because I started relaxing, so I got sick, and then I kept relaxing more and more, and I started to my heart started to have a voice, which is relaxing. You know, there's a lot of things about spirituality, and do this, do that, do that. It's simple, it's really simple. Like you it's reality is going to show you through the people anyway, you're gonna get triggered, and it's relaxing and taking note of who you are. Yeah.

Claire 1:23:26

Thank you so much for sharing that. I I um I'm I'm just delighted because this is what I've been saying for years to myself, you know, and to people that I work with is like relaxation first, it's the highest practice. And and you know, we think we have to have all these complicated practices and rituals and stuff like that. No, that is another convolution of the imposition that we've taken on. Like, oh, it's hard to reach God. I better start working on it, and I've got to do all these elaborate gymnastics to be accepted and all this. No, you know, it's like relax, breathe into your heart, like just like relax, turn off your mind for a second and just like you know, just like let it go. And we think that we have to do so much more to be worthy of it. That's just our programming, isn't it?

Rebecca 1:24:10

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I work with people and then get to points of like, oh no, no, I'm not ready to go deeper within myself, and they get angry and stuff like that because they've got a program, you've got to work hard, uh, you know, um, you've got to be more than you are, you've got to be, and it's just like you are who you are, yeah, accepting who you are, you know, you don't have to, yeah, it's just from the slavery, but yeah, it's just there's a lot of yucky stuff in the spirit what has been, but it's got it's here, it's like it's been a bridge that we've had to, but yeah, you don't, yeah, just relax, and it's and there's lots of you know, you heal and then you you fall down again, and then you've got to go back and do another room that's in your brain that's that's dirty, and so it's back and forward, back and forward, back and forward, you know. Um, and really like you are the key to understanding everything, like that's that is like the amazing thing. Like, you are the key to it all, like no one else, no one outside of you, you are the key, and that is you connecting to yourself, to your heart, you know. You know, you know, people come to me and they've you know may have just come and they're like searching and they're trying to search for the truth, and they're trying to, you know, and it's like well, it's you, so they go from trying to understand the outer reality to understanding self, and it's like oh, but they're gifted, they're gifted with calmness, they're gifted with oh, everything's okay, even though you know the outside world looks like it's crazy. It's like the heart will calm you, it will it will ground the mind, you know. Because what we've had is a problem where the mind is totally ungrounded, it's doing lots of 101 things, it won't stop thinking, won't stop doing, it's it's totally ungrounded. So connecting the heart will ground us down, and it and the more you ground, the more you understand yourself, more calmness, more everything's okay, yeah, everything's fine. You know, it's like there's no pressure, yeah. There's no pressure to be something or do something. There's like it you start to get into acceptance of who you are, your experience, and get to know why you've experienced what you've experienced. Because what I see in people, what I've experienced myself, what's kept me locked is self-blame, shame, um, and uh to get these horrible frequencies out that you want to it's like to feel them and also to realise well, I'm not to blame for the whole world and the shame out, um, the everything that's disempowered the heart of people. There's been a lot of disempowerment, and because of that disempowerment, the mind is elevated into survival, to ego, to everything, and disconnected from the the human us. Yeah.

Final Takeaways And Where To Find Rebecca

Claire 1:27:00

Is there anything else that you feel like really compelled to share the most important thing that you could transmit at this moment?

Rebecca 1:27:16

And for me, um, healing has been really hard, like the hardest thing I've been afraid to face myself. Um, but also feeling what I want freedom, honesty, truth, transparency, to allow to have my kids grow up in a world where they're safe. Um for me to feel safe, it's secure, it's uh you know, that's what I want. And that's what I want, you know, I want everyone to be we all want that, don't we? We'd be insane if we didn't want that. So um and then I also see like in the QA's and what we're gonna experience, what life is gonna be like, it's uh incredible.

Claire 1:28:00

like where everyone having their heart open and and then the mind and the heart flowing it's you know there's you will realize there's no death there's just transformation we'll be you know you'll be sitting there and realize the beauty everything is commute we'll be once the mind is communicating fully with the heart we'll be communicating with all life the trees the bugs the the the clouds the sun everything is communication all around us and everything is radiating these beautiful frequencies of Mother Earth but we haven't picked them up because we haven't been connected to ourselves so the the hardness of looking at self is going to be so worthwhile it's it's just gonna be oh my god I would do it again if because the beauty that I I can taste it do you know what I mean I can it's like and and it just feels so close like this uh just the light and everything like what you know you can actually wow and all the learnings I've had along the way it's like it's it's been an incredible journey um so yeah and I'm not fearful um I'm um I'm looking forward to really seeing who we are in in this reality that being we reflecting out of what who we actually are you know don't worry about all the yucky stuff that's going on it's it's going yeah yeah yeah wow wow thank you thank you Rebecca Barron uh everybody all of Rebecca's links are in the show notes uh you can join her community you can um take her courses read her book she has uh an amazing uh community her youtube channel her instagram everything that you do is contributing to the awakening and I'm just so grateful uh for this time that you've spent with me here today and um yeah it's uh it's been a real honor and a pleasure and so uplifting my heart is really singing now thank you thank you Rebecca hello thank you thank you for having me on it's so lovely to uh be able to talk because it's like talking and then I feel my heart same it's it's so healing it's so healing yeah thank you for having me on