The Human Heart Cannot Be Hacked with Katie Bishop

What if the world we've been taught to accept as "reality" is only a tiny fraction of what is actually real?

In this heartfelt conversation, Claire sits down with healer, teacher, author, and walk-in soul Katie Bishop (Earth Bishop) to explore awakening, multidimensional reality, the nature of consciousness, authenticity, the human heart, and humanity's collective liberation.

Together they discuss:

• Katie's extraordinary walk-in experience
• The illusion of separation
• Why authenticity may be the highest vibration
• The role of the heart as an inner compass
• The dark night of the soul
• The dismantling of false systems
• Fear, manipulation, and the harvesting of human attention
• The awakening of humanity
• The rehabilitation of our relationship with ourselves
• Why the future may be far more hopeful than it appears

At the center of this conversation is a true and powerful reminder: you are far more than the identity you were taught to be.

The journey of awakening is not about becoming something new. It is about remembering what you have always been.

Connect with Katie Bishop:
https://www.earthbishop.com/
https://www.instagram.com/earthbishop/
https://www.youtube.com/@UCon1OUgWbESzi2KGBQktl8g 

As a special appreciation for The Grace Space listeners, Katie is generously offering a discount for her Mastering You Universe Series.  - use the code CLAIRE25 to get 25% off!

Transcript

Welcome To The Grace Space

0:03

Welcome to the Grace Space, a transmission for the sovereign soul. I see it as like an inverted system, right? Um, because our soul, our origin and our nature is to be love, it's to be peace, it's to be at oneness. And here we're having kind of an inverted experience where um everything is based in fear and it's fractaling your energy and your attention. And we're under a veil of forgetting when we come into this reality system and we have a mind wipe. Um, so we don't remember our past lives, we don't remember our point of origin, we don't remember what it feels like to be at oneness, at wholeness, to be in that unity consciousness anymore. So it's an experience. It's an experience in contrast, it's an experience in the world of polarities, in the world of opposites, in the land of duality. You can think of it that way. And so the goal is to get to a place of neutrality, it get to a place of where you can shift your perception high enough to see what's really going on in a bigger plane, and you can see then all of the deceptions and all of the manipulations and how this system uses our negative energy as what's called like a loosh, as a harvest to power up what really is like an AI machine.

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Meet Katie Bishop

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back to the Grace Space, everybody. I'm very, very excited to share today's conversation with you. This is one that's moving through many layers all at once: healing, remembrance, multidimensional reality, the nature of reality itself, authenticity, the heart, the stargate of the heart, awakening, the nature of consciousness, and what it really means to reclaim our humanity in a world that's built on inversion, in a world that has been uh was really stacked the deck against humanity. My guest, and I'm so, so honored to bring into the gray space Katie Bishop. Some of you may know uh her as Earth Bishop. Uh, that is her mission. Uh, she's a healer, she's a teacher, she's the author of Remember Your Torch. She's somebody that uh many people know through her experiences and what she shares about her experiences as a walk-in soul. And of course, the nature of her story is extraordinary. Her own personal story is extraordinary. But what I find so amazing about her is how grounded she is, how approachable she is, how sweet uh she is. And and you know, I just she opens my heart. She really does. You know, it's her deep compassion for the human experience. I could just it you you'll feel it when when you meet her if you don't know her already. Today we explored many questions that uh people are carrying in their hearts right now about the nature of reality. And what if uh reality is way, way larger than we were taught, way weirder than uh anybody ever shared with us, um way more expansive, multidimensional, um, you know, coming to grips with the possibility, as many people are starting to do, that everything that we took for granted, everything that we thought this world was, that we thought our reality was, ain't. To me, that's a very exciting possibility. So we talk about that. We talked about what happens when the structures that we trusted begin to dissolve. We talked about how to navigate disclosure, and disclosure is more than aliens, it's more than advanced technology, it is the disclosure of the nature of reality itself. So, how do we navigate the unveiling of truth without collapsing into fear in the interim? Um, well, I'll tell you because it's really going to be okay, because everything is gonna be okay. And I think you'll feel that when you meet Katie too. We talked about authenticity. This is a conversation I really loved. Like, how does it actually feel in the body? And how do we reconnect with the heart after lifetimes of disconnection, of conditioning, of pain, of the suffering of humanity? This is all coming back now. This conversation touches on themes that may feel well expansive, challenging, maybe even destabilizing at times, but underneath all of it is the most beautiful, hope-filled message that awakening is not about becoming something else. It's not um, you know, um, that everything is actually awful and we have to face it. No, no. It's about remembering who we already are. And when you realize who you already are, you realize that everything is okay, has always been okay, will be okay, more than okay. I'm feeling that really strongly right now. Maybe the greatest revolution that's happening on this planet right now is the return of the human heart. So take a breath, listen slowly, open your heart because you're gonna receive so, so much from this conversation. Here we go. This is Katie Bishop. So, Katie,

What A Walk-In Soul Means

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everybody who knows your story knows you as a walk-in. And I feel like we need to just touch on that briefly before we launch into a bunch of other things because it's not necessarily a known concept for a lot of people. Can you describe that in a few words? Yeah, yeah, sure. Absolutely. Um, for those who are not familiar with that term walk-in soul, essentially at the very core of it, a walk-in soul is like a soul transference. So we have these physical bodies, our vessels, our temples, and they're animated by our soul. And with a walk-in soul, there's a little, there's a change out, basically. One soul exits, goes on to its next stage of evolution, and a new soul comes in and starts working on the mission that they came in to bring forth in this world. And there are so many different variations of walk-in souls. So that could be a whole nother series of a podcast on different types of walk-in souls and different types of scenarios. Typically, what happens for that transference to occur is that someone will be in like a near-death experience, almost in like a catatonic state. And that's when the walk-in soul will happen. And that's where you hear a lot of people who come out of like near-death experiences, they're completely different. They might be a completely different personality, they may have different likes, dislikes, they may have this huge spiritual awakening. Um, walk-in souls are extremely mission-driven. So they come in with a purpose and they come in with a calling and they are driven to activate it. So um, that is it in a nutshell. Um, there's lots of books out there about walk-in souls. There's lots of information, a lot of people sharing their own experiences. So when I share about walk-in souls, I just I do it from my perspective because that's what I know. But I just want everyone to know that there's lots of different variations of this. Um and I also try to be really careful that I don't use it as another identity for the ego. You know, with this whole new age deceptive movement, there's a lot of people falling for what I call the starseed trap. And they're identifying themselves so heavily. Well, I'm a Pleiadian, well, I'm an Andromeda, and I'm this. And then it just becomes another trap for the ego, a false identity. And so I don't, I don't like to label myself, but I have to share the walk-in story. I have to share that I'm a walk-in soul because it lays the foundation for all of the information that I bring forward and everything I'm doing in my healing practice and my courses. If if I have to share that part of my life so that everything else makes sense. But um, I don't put a label on it. I don't on myself, or, you know, does it mean that my life is more important than anyone else's? I'm just sharing the experience. Yeah, well, you're one of the most approachable people I've ever met. I mean, you know, there's no uh, yeah, I I I just um I can really feel that such pure authenticity that is coming from you. And my question, another question I have about that is like, did you know what when that happened to you? It must have been an instantaneous change. Did you understand what had happened or when the the new soul arrived and and had all of your memories from the past and basically inherited everything, right? Did you did you arrive with that understanding, okay, I'm here now, it's done? Yeah. Oh, that's

Katie’s 2011 Moment Of Grace

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a good question. I don't think anyone's asked me that before. Um, so I call it my moment of grace when that transference happened. And see, I grew up Catholic and I didn't grow up with any of this, you know, esoteric knowledge um or any of this uh multidimensional information that's coming forward. I I grew up in a very traditional household. And um, so I didn't have I didn't have that background. And what happened was this whole walk-in experience happened a while ago. It happened in 2011. And um, during that time frame, I was going through my own healing journey. I was going through therapy and I was healing some childhood traumas and I encountered the dark night of the soul. And in that dark night of the soul, I just I wanted to die. I didn't think I could go on anymore. And I had a moment where I I literally fell to my knees and felt like I couldn't even breathe anymore. And it was in that moment that there is the transference, and in that moment, I saw a a light beam. Um, and I I felt my heart just explode, expand. Um, and that was the moment, my moment of grace. That is when the transference happened. So I can pinpoint it, which is a little unusual. Most walk-in people can't pinpoint the moment because there was like, like I said, a car accident or some kind of near-death experience. But I was consciously aware. No, I didn't know the term walk-in soul. So I kept saying, I just landed here because that's what it felt like. It felt like I had just come into um to this body, to this reality system, um, brand new. And I was trying to explain my experience and all these profound insights um that I walked in with to my friends, to my family. And I started a blog back in 2011 that was like the more alternative media space. You know, we didn't have all of these things that we have now post post-COVID. Um, and everyone thought I was completely bonkers. Just completely bonkers, thought I had lost my mind. Um, and I write all about that in this in my book, Remember Your Torch, because it was it was horrific what I went through. But I made it through to the other side to be able to be in a place today where I can bring forth the information, I can bring forth the healing. Um, so to answer your question, did I know that's what happened? I I walked in with a lot of information. I I feel like I walked in with like a little briefcase of going, okay, here's what you're meant to do, here's what you're bringing in. I don't have all the answers, but I know the peace that I have. And I knew it when I walked in. Um and as soon as I started sharing it, I was I was shut down from every angle of my entire life. And I was a targeted individual. And I don't want to get into all of that. Um, but uh when I say I lost everything in my life, I was at by worst point by 2013, I was living out of my car and in and out of a motel. I mean, it was horrendous. Um so yes, I knew what was happening, um, but I didn't have the vocabulary. And so I knew all of my chakras were activated. I knew I was my pineal gland had been activated because I was seen in the spiritual realm now. All of a sudden I could, I could see things, I could see the unseen realm. Um, but I did not know how to articulate it properly because I didn't have that background. I didn't have that within me. But I was using different different words, like saying, like, well, I just landed here and here's what I'm here to do. And it's all about natural healing, it's all about remembrance of our soul. It's remembering that, hey, death isn't real. It's just a transitionary period. And it was all about being here for the timeline convergence of 2012. There was a timeline convergence to push our consciousness to a higher level so that we would be on a more positive timeline for humanity's overall soul ascension process. So um that was kind of a long answer. But I guess the answer is yes. I knew what was going on, but I didn't have the terminology down to communicate it very well, like I do now. Yeah, well, I mean, it's beautifully articulated, and I appreciate that. I can feel it. So it sounds like there was a strategy in a way, like an agreement between two souls, and probably a lot more than just the two souls, but like, what would be the benefit of that second soul walking in when exactly when it did, or as opposed to just being born into that body? Was it like a chance of like forgetting, getting lost, and all of that? Or how what was the timing, the strategy of that timing? Yeah,

Why Walk-Ins Arrive As Adults

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that's a really good question, too. So um a couple things. Um, of course, there's you know, it's it's multidimensional. Everything, there's always multiple things happening at the same time, and we've got to open up our minds to be able to understand that it's never just one thing. First of all, um part of the strategy was to come in later in life so I could hit the ground running as an adult. What happens is uh because we're in this controlled matrix system, um, the controllers, the archons, whatever you want to call them, they can see who's coming in. And we agree to that. You know, when we come into this reality system, we are under those rules. Now it's our our job to understand that and then transcend them through the power of our soul, but they can see who's coming in, they can see the light. And this is why a lot of children get targeted and things happen to them at a young age, and then they're challenged or not able to really activate their full mission as an adult because of the traumas that they've been put through and severe targeting. So coming walking in as an adult was a strategy in that sense. Walking in at 2011 was a strategy because, like I said, there was from a big broader picture, um, there was a big shift for a timeline convergence to push humanity onto a higher level of consciousness collectively. And so I came in with a whole fleet of walk-ins. It wasn't just me, it was a bunch of us working behind the scenes, planning this out for generations. You know, we think it's so hard for us to perceive time because we think of it linearly and and we're so trapped in this matrix mentality. Um, but on the other side of the veil, time is completely different. And planning does happen. Um, but you plan things out multi- multi-gener for generations in advance. So this was had all been planned out, mapped out, strategized. Um, and so with the goal being, if there's enough of us coming through at this critical time frame for the flip, it calls what I say an intermezzo. If you think of our reality system as a multidimensional chessboard, an intermezzo is when you make a move that completely changes the trajectory of the game that the adversary doesn't see coming. So all of a sudden, if you have thousands of walk-ins come in at the same time, high-level advanced souls here to raise consciousness, here to ignite our spirituality and the power of our souls, you have flipped the game on the dark side. And there's almost they're like, wait, who's who? Who went where? Um, you know, there's a little bit of chaos and confusion going on, but it's all going for the good of humanity. So I'm trying to summarize, I'm really oversummarizing, but that's that's it in a nutshell, if that makes sense. That's fascinating. And I I think the the comparison to the chess game is really apt. Um so then what does like presumably we all have these um these parts of ourselves that are advanced, what we call higher self or deeper self or inner being or you know, soul or whatever we call them. Um what's the the was the main difference between your experience as a walk-in, your walk-in soul, and the soul who was previously there, just access to all of this information and the multidimensionality? Yeah, yeah. I really felt like when I reflect back now, you know, hindsight's 2020, and I'm looking back at what I was being blocked from and being veiled from on purpose, really. It was because I, you know, again, there's so much targeting that goes on, so much heavy surveillance. Um, what the walk-in experience for me felt like was that lifting of the veil, um, so that not only I could see the unseen realm, see the spiritual realm, but I had an understanding of how it worked because it's really important to understand the mechanics and how this whole reality system is structured. I think that's the most important part of disclosure more than anything else. I so agree with that. Yeah.

Reality Beyond Materialism

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I mean, let's talk about that because you know, I I was having a dialogue with someone uh the other day, and um, and the person said, you know, I I was talking about some, you know, um, some of the unseen world. I was sharing some of my experience and the way that I see reality. I mean, I I for for me it's not so much seeing, it's more like sensing and feeling. But I I I was expressing something and and she and she said, Well, you know, I I'm a realist. And I I felt kind of stopped in my tracks by that statement because it seemed to be saying, you know, well, that's not real, right? And and as I contemplated the conversation in retrospect, I thought, no, no, you're a materialist, right? A materialist who believes that that is what reality is. I'm I'm a realist. I mean, I'm in the sense that I want to see reality clearly, and the nature of reality is multidimensional. You know, the the word reality is has totally been weaponized and you know, misunderstood. And and so um, you know, as I have, you know, um awakened in stages, because my awakening has been in in stages of growth, um, I've come to realize that, you know, what I thought was was uh real, even though I guess I've always had a sense that I knew there was more, but you know, um what we call real, what we call reality is actually just a very limited material realm of perception, and and you know, um uh expressly so, if you start to realize the degree of the deception that we've been living under, and I would love to hear more about that from you. But yeah, like what does when when we say reality is multidimensional, what do we mean by that? How does that trickle down to us in practical terms? Like, how can we help somebody who is whose basis is in the material world and doesn't really feel comfortable with anything outside of that? How can it be explained in a way that doesn't feel threatening? Yeah, yeah, it's so important to hold an open, safe space for uh people who are just learning about this. Um I like to approach people by asking them questions to try to pull it out of them. Um, because you explain that really well. We're only interacting with a very small spectrum of light that our eyes can see. So most people think, well, if I can't see it, then it's not real. Now, really, it's almost like the inverse is true because there's more, there's so much going on in um the spectrum, the the light spectrums that we can't see with our our eyes, right? Um, one of the ways in which I approach people who are very blocked and very stubborn from not wanting to open up to the the idea of a multidimensional universe and the multidimensional facets of their own soul is I'll ask them, Well, what happens when you die? Now a lot of people will say nothing. Um It just ends, or some people will contemplate it. Um, people who are religious will have an idea of an afterlife. And so how I explain the true reality is the things that you carried with you when you die, the things, the memories, the love, the experiences, those are the things that are real. But you can't hold them. Right? So it's those are the things that you can't see, but they're real. They're more real than anything else because when you shed the body, that's all you take with you. You're not taking your career, you're not taking your job, your house, you know, your money, your car. None of that goes on with you. It's only here in the material plane. And our attachment to physicality, our attachment to materialism is really the source of most of our suffering. And when we understand that, the whole world opens up. Now, you know what? Let me grab this because this helps too. I love this prism. Um, I think this helps describe multidimensionality because what we basically are talking about when you look at the construct of our reality system, you know, we drop through densities that are levels of consciousness, and then dimensional planes that are the are basically the environment that holds the level of consciousness. So there has to be a match with those. So those the dimensions go out through the densities, and the densities go up and down, the dimensions go up horizontally. Um, and so one of the things that's important to understand, and this is one of the laws of the universe, and I talk about the laws of the universe all the time because that is the foundational construct of this whole matrix system. And we're bound by these laws. And so the goal is to really understand how they work and how they operate so that you can use them to your advantage. And one of the most important laws is as above, so below, um, as within, so without, as the universe of the soul. So uh when you think of us all being part of source, God, creator, whatever word you want to use, um, you can think of us, you know, this being source, and we're all a different factor of light, right? All a different facet, the way it comes out. We all have a different expression, a different color that we're emanating. Um, and then the micro to that would be we each have an individual soul that's doing the same thing, that's expressing itself in different dimensions, in different reality systems, all at the same time. But it's all one at the same time. So yeah, if that makes sense, like the fractal nesting concept, right? Like the whole is still, no matter how small you divide up the parts, they're not actually parts, they're a whole, they're just a a different expression of the whole, right? So the part contains the whole, no matter how much it gets uh uh yeah, partitioned away. I mean, yes, it's hard to actually language this, isn't it? Because we language isn't really adequate to describe the process. But it sounds like that you're saying is that is that accurate from your point of view? It completely. It's um it is like a fractal holographic universe, a nested holographic universe, and with holograms, you know, the whole is when within each part. It's just a smaller version of it, and that's where we are all whole, we are all connected, we are actually just different versions of each other. Um, but we can't see that because we're behind a veil of illusion and amnesia and this illusion of separation. Um but but we're all we're all one essentially. So when we're able to perceive that, when we're able to expand our consciousness to see through that lens, that is when we really make a big jump in our collective consciousness. Yes.

The Veil Of Forgetting And Inversion

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So let's talk about this veil and the deception and the amnesia. What is happening here? What is going on on this planet? Part of my uh what I'm fascinated with is okay, how can we see current events on the planet in in the light of a far bigger story that we're not even aware of, right? This is where so much confusion arises and frustration and fear for people, because they don't have any way to interpret the reality that they're experiencing because we don't have any context for it. So, what happened on this planet? What is going on? And what are we waking up from? And what are we waking up to? Yeah, I um so there's a lot there. Um I see it as like an inverted system, right? Um, because our soul, our origin and our nature is to be love, it's to be peace, it's to be at oneness. And here we're having kind of an inverted experience where um everything is based in fear and it's fractaling your energy and your attention. And we're under a veil of forgetting when we come into this reality system and we have a mind wipe. Um, so we don't remember our past lives, we don't remember our point of origin, we don't remember what it feels like to be at oneness, at wholeness, to be in that unity consciousness anymore. So it's an experience. It's an experience in contrast, it's an experience in the world of polarities, in the world of opposites, in the land of duality. You can think of it that way. And so the goal is to get to a place of neutrality, it get to a place of where you can shift your perception high enough to see what's really going on in a bigger plane, and you can see then all of the deceptions and all of the manipulations and how this system uses our negative energy as what's called like a loosh, as a harvest um to power up a what really is like an AI machine. It's just like the movie The Matrix. I mean, it just is. Um, so that's kind of the reality system that we're in. And so the goal is to not feed the system, not feed the beast. Know that when there's all this um chaos and fear porn being thrown at us all the time, to not engage with it. It doesn't mean you don't care. It just means that you're not reacting to it in a way that is controlling you, that is keeping you down, that is keeping you in a state of fight or flight. You are not giving your consent to it. Um, what happens is we get on survival mode and we get on autopilot, and then we kind of become hypnotized by what we're seeing on our screens. And that is done by design. You know, then we become reactive constantly. And our true nature is to be a co-creator. And if you're constantly reacting to things and you're constantly feeding the system, you're not creating, you're creating more of what they want, more fear, you know, more anxiety, more lack, more scarcity. Then that's what they want. That's what these control systems want. Um, so it's all about self-sovereignty and owning your sacred energy. You know, we never learn about our own energy systems. It's not something we talk about in school. We don't talk about energy hygiene, you know, we don't talk about how energy flows throughout our body. We don't, we don't talk about any of that. We don't understand it. Um, but that, but the dark side does. And they know how, they know how to tap into that. You know, they know how to get that out of us. So it's up to us to really understand ourselves, to know thyself, know what makes you tick, know what makes you triggered, know what needs to be alchemized within yourself, you know, this journey of our soul through this 3D matrix system. It's really about a distillation process. And that really is what alchemy is. It's about taking all the programming away, wiping it away, seeing it for what it is, dissolving all the social engineering, all of the false belief systems, um, letting them go. It's it's about enlightenment, it's about letting go. It's really not about bringing in more because you already are everything. You've just got all these blocks and all these layers uh preventing you from remembering that. But when you let that go, and that's really hard to do, and that's really painful. Like I said, I grew up Catholic, you know, um, but you know, a lot of uh false belief systems, um a lot of indoctrination. So when you go through that letting go process, it's extremely painful because you're most likely going to experience the dark night of the soul. And that's when you really realize, oh my gosh, I've been wearing like a mask my whole life. I've kind of been presenting myself one way, but I actually feel another way. And you see like the phoniness in yourself, and it it's it was so painful and it's devastating. And you see all the lies and all of the deceptions and the way you fed into them, um, and you gave your consent away to things. Um, and so that's a painful process to go through through this whole awakening journey, but it's so necessary. And I work with a lot of people going through the dark night of the soul, and I always tell them it's like a catapult. You know, you're gonna get pulled down, you're gonna go through this, but it's gonna shoot you over on the other side to expanded perception, expanded consciousness, to a feeling of inner peace that you haven't been able to obtain before because you're shattering all of these false systems that were all based in fear and control and tethering you down. And you're breaking free from them. It's true liberation. So um, that's kind of how I see it in a very condensed nutshell. Well, that that's I mean, yeah, you're speaking my language. Um uh there are so many um questions that come in, you know, peppering um what you just expressed.

Who Feeds On Human Energy

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Um, I always hear people's questions in my mind. And um, and because they've been my own questions too, you know, um over time. And so um one of the questions is who is they, right? Right. Who are these controllers? You know, is you just start talking, I mean, I totally get what you're saying. Like when you when you uh showed up in 2011 and you started talking about everything, people thought you were completely crazy, you know, and and when and when you start talking about some of these things, I mean, when I hear myself talk sometimes and I and I see somebody uh opposite me who isn't you know necessarily awake to you know a bigger picture yet, uh, I see them going, you know, like, has she lost it or what's going on? You know, because it can make you sound paranoid. It can make you sound like, you know, you have a really dark view of the world. And I don't feel like I have a dark view of the world at all. I personally feel like it's really important to see the darkness and to see the manipulation and all of that, because if you don't see it, then you can't empower yourself, you know, to rise above it. You know, you can't actually understand the nature of reality. So how can you navigate, right? Um, so what what when I when I said what happened, you know, to this planet, what happened here? And that we're talking about eons of time that nobody really remembers, except for, you know, few and far between people like you, right? People who have made it their business to find out, to remember um what has happened to us. Um, so what what what has happened to us? Who is they? Who is in charge of this? Because some people think, oh, it's the deep state, it's bad people. But there are layers beyond that, because of course, as above, so below, and we live in a fractal, nested, fractal reality. So, what's your your take on all of that, Katie? Yeah, well, first of all, I'm so glad that you mentioned that you're very positive on everything, because I am too. Um, I'm very, very positive outlook, very um, in a way, even though we're going through so much chaos and destruction, it's the destruction of the false matrix system. It has to happen. So, in a way, it's kind of exciting, even though it's uncomfortable and it's scary. And but that's growth, that's evolution. You know, it's we've got to go through this death of the old to bring in the new. So I am very optimistic. I am very positive. So when I talk about, you know, the dark side, it is because, like you said, we have to understand how they operate to so that we we don't become manipulated by it. Um, and I uh there's a big uh, you know, there's this new age deception movement, which completely bypasses all darkness. And that is literally escapism. That is not reality. Um, that is not helping because our job is to alchemize all of that darkness. It's our job to alchemize all of the fear. It's not to say that it doesn't exist, because it does, it's there, right? Um, it's undeniable. We're maybe in uh higher densities, it doesn't exist the way it does down here, but we're in a 3D dual polarity universe, and we've got this spectrum of dark versus light going on. So by ignoring the darkness, it's not helping at all, um, whether it be um on the external stage or within. You know, we have to we have to uncover our own shadows. That's where all of the work is, and that's part of the alchemical process. So when we talk about to answer your question, who are they, right? This is so um, there's so many different labels I hear people put on them. You know, can oh, it's the archons or it's the deep state, it's the cabal, it's the Anunnaki, it's um the reptilian overlords, it's the Illuminati, it's the Satanists. You know, you you hear all of these groups. When I speak, I I can only speak for myself. So I when I speak, and I'm saying they um or the dark side, I am talking about any kind of consciousness here interacting in our world that is harvesting life energy, that is harvesting our energy, that is using us, that is a parasite to the earth, that is a parasite to our energy field. Um, and I see that as like the opposite of life-giving. So, like we, our souls are life-giving, they're self-generating source. God, this is a self-generating energy field. They are the opposite, they do not have the ability to tap into an ever-flowing energy source. They have limitations, they can't create like we can create, they have to mimic, they have to copy. So um that's who I that's broad because it can be all of these groups at the same time. Well, yeah, because I mean, I I I love I thank you so much for the way that you stated that. I also um I speak about it more globally. I call it a parasitical consciousness, um, I call it an inverted consciousness, you know, because I don't know everything that happened in the long history of humanity. I, yeah, of course, you know, Anunnaki, Archons, Ia, Inki, you know, you you hear all different kinds of and also conflicting information about, you know, this the uh influences that have um that have interfered with us over millennia, eons of time. And I'm sure there have been many different extraterrestrial groups and you know, the rather than trying to understand the minutia of that history, we can understand it as one global kind of consciousness which is, yeah, which is anti-source, which is not which has chosen to separate itself away from source, and therefore it doesn't have its own intrinsic source of energy anymore. And so it therefore has to feed on those who are connected to source. So that is just a basic inversion that we're all dealing with. Whether, you know, there's millions of different kinds of groups and ETs and and and stories in our in our, you know, uh in our past that a lot of people don't remember anyway. So I think it's it's really useful to understand it as a kind of consciousness that can take any form that it wants. Yeah, that's so important to understand because we see it happen with spiritual leaders. We see it with some of these galactic influencers. They may start out, you know, really authentic and being in service to others, and then their ego creeps in, and then they are consenting to something outside of themselves, and then they get taken over, and now they've they've become a parasite. You know, they've they've been infected by this consciousness, so it can it can infiltrate. So it's not, you know, people talk about well, who's the antichrist going to be? Well, that antichrist consciousness can be embodied by many people. So it doesn't have to be just one person, you know, we're always looking to that, like even the Christ consciousness. We want this to embody all of us, right? This lives within us. So um I I like to see them as consciousness structures first, um, and then you can kind of break it down how it how it filters down into 3D, because it does all of these uh, you know, actors we see uh in the deep state, they are the puppets of what's going on on a higher level that we don't see, that we can't see. And I go into a lot of this in my classes, you know, I I do deep dives on this because this is a lot of information, and this is part of what I actually walked in with. So that's why I have a whole class series on the spiritual realm and the history of humanity and a class series on what I call false genesis. Um, because you know, the Adam and Eve story is really kind of like a big table. So um and this is so thank you so much for bringing that up because this is this is something that I'm really feeling in my heart um about all of the the the whole reason that I want to talk with people like you, Katie, is because I know what's coming. And what's coming is that a lot of people are going to be challenged in their most basic beliefs, and a lot of good people, you know, who um the the foundations of everything that we were told was real and true are going to crumble. And this is gonna be a big shock for a lot of people. I mean, you know, I I was not raised religiously. I, you know, we we went to church and all of that, but I I never felt connected to that whole thing. I didn't have an issue with belief system, religious belief systems, but even I had certain attachments, you know, culturally and sentimentally to what I was taught as a child. And, you know, to when you begin to grasp the scope of the deception, uh, the depth of the deception, you you know, it can be very disorienting, very destabilizing because it's basically it's like nothing was nothing that I was told was true. And that and that's that's when you realize, oh, it's the Truman show. Okay, we've been really like literally living in this set. Yeah. Yeah. So how I mean that way. I think we can't we can't really um take people's uh comforting belief systems away from them without offering them the the the actual truth, which is way more comforting. Um, you know what I mean? Like um how do you how do you break through this this mental energy around the belief systems that we were programmed with, right? Which were just part of the control system, um, and and help people understand that it's safe to let go of all of that stuff because the reality of it is so much more beautiful and so much more um real and true than anything

Letting Go Into Authenticity

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that they were taught. Yeah, yeah. It's it's amazing once you break through all of that, you're like, whoa, this is so much better. That's so much better on the other side, right? But um, and and it's and it feels better because it's truth, it's authentic, it's genuine, and you know, the frequent, the highest frequency. That we have, that we have access to, is authenticity. And if you want to immediately calm your nervous system, get into a state of authenticity. That's how you can calm yourself immediately. So when people break through those paradigms, they come into a state of calm. Like, oh my gosh, I can see it now, I can let go. But there can be a battle, a really big battle. And this is where people have to fight their own inner demons. Because sometimes with these false belief systems, sometimes with a lot of this self-sabotage people have, or, you know, any kind of conditioning that is not based in truth, there can be parasitic energies attached to that, weighing them down, feeding on that. And they do not want you to break free. They are going to fight. They don't want to be evicted. This is one of the things I do in my healing practice is get rid of these parasitic energies and help people figure out what they're attached to because they always have some kind of entry point and it's always based on something that's not really true. So it that's where I find them the most. Um, whether it's a belief about yourself or it's some kind of false uh religious belief or judging others as a big one, you know, all of these things, all of these little shadow aspects that really get conditioned into us over time and we don't even realize it's happening. They live in the subconscious. Um but to help break through, you know, this is this is a very individual process for everyone. It depends on your life experiences, it depends on the environment you were raised in, it depends on on so many different factors. Um, so what we can do is hold space for people, hold safe space for people to go through the process and not force our beliefs on them or or force a new way of thinking on them. You can't force truth on everyone. What you can do is hold a very safe, loving, non-judgmental space for them to ask questions because that's when the unraveling happens. That is the quest we are on. It is asking questions about our reality system and you hold that safe space for them. Um, it's not about bombing people with red pill information. You know, we can't just do that and expect people to wake up. It's they're going to like immediately attack back. That's not the frequency we want to be in. Um, so it's it's a unique process for everyone. Um, but it starts with asking questions about a reality system. It starts with asking questions about, you know, for me, even as a young child, I always had questions like, why is God so mean and angry and jealous? Like, there were I had so many questions about why, you know, he he had all these issues if he was such a loving, all-powerful God. You know, it didn't make sense. There were so many things that didn't make sense. And I write a lot about that in here as well. Now, a lot of people, the awakening journey starts in the field of healthcare. Yes. That's a big deception, right? Big pharma and um the medical mafia. And what happens is people realize they get sick and they start going through a healing process and they realize, oh my gosh, everything is poisoned. And and then that starts them going down some rabbit holes, and then they start unraveling they see it epic, they see it in the education system, they see it in the government, they see they start seeing it everywhere. And this is where, again, we have to hold safe space for people because this is where people can just lose it, because they start to realize, oh my God, the whole thing is a deception. The whole thing is rigged, and I've been feeding into it this whole time. So, this is another reason why people like you and your audience are waking up and going through their own dark night of the soul and going through their own awakening journey so they can hold space for more people to go through it. Because we can't all wake up at the same time. We can't all go through the dark night of the soul at the same time. Everything would collapse. We need to do it in waves and in stages so that we can help other people go through it and be the light for them and throw them the life raft and say, it's okay, it's okay. I'm here, I've been through it. Let me help answer your questions. You know, um, this is a safe space. You're not going to be judged. Um, so that that is kind of my strategy for helping people with this because, like I said, you cannot force it. That's not the right way to go. It's so true. I really, I just want to come back to something you said that is so key. You said the highest vibration is that of authenticity. And I I that is so ringing true. I I know that this is true. Um, a lot of people, when you, if you would ask them that question, they'd be like, well, love, love is the highest vibration, you know. But um authenticity seems to be that that thing that we come to when we're okay with ourselves, you know, like when we've totally, when we've let go of the the phoniness, the masks, the stuff we did that was, you know, that was painful for ourselves and other people, when we've when we have um, you know, forgiven ourselves, all of that falling away of the construct which is false, right? As you said, you know, this this process of um awakening is not about adding a bunch of information to your head. You know, it's not about like um book study and accumulation. It is all about letting go. It is all about releasing what isn't true and what is left is the is the truth. Um, so yeah, when we go through that process and we see the degree of deception that, you know, has been perpetrated on us, that I to me that's part of how we can forgive ourselves too, is that there was so much we couldn't see. There was so much we just didn't know that we were unaware of. And we are, I think human beings are by nature innocent and trusting in a way, you know, that we start out innocent and trusting, we learn discernment, we learn how to, you know, that's how wisdom comes about. But, you know, we we we have trusted the systems that surround us because we never have known anything different, and because the people that we love and trust seem to have trusted them. So we get enrolled in all of this um innocently, and it creates terrible distortions in us, and we act out from the pain of those distortions. Um when that falls away and authenticity is just that real self begins to shine through, isn't it? Yeah, and you know, I I like what you said because people about love, because people will say, Well, no, love is well, authenticity encapsulates love. Our view of love on this plane is very um conditional and transactional. And authentic love is actually a state of being. And that is our true nature, that is our authenticity, that is the the origin of our soul, that is where we come from, that is what we emanate when we take away all the layers. It is a state of love and truth and wisdom. And so it's authenticity, when you're in an authentic state, you are in a state of love. It comes with it. That is who you are, that's who we all are. So when you fall back into that feeling, that's that's who you are, and that washes away, you know, all the all the fears. Yeah, so when people um are afraid and they hear all kinds of negative stuff on the on the news, if you still listen to the news, I don't recommend it. But anyway, it can be just to find out, you know, what they're saying about what's going on is can be interesting when you start to realize, okay, well, everything is a curated message, it's all engineered, and you know, they don't let a syllable out without understanding the impact that they want to have. Um, before I get off on a tangent with that. But when people um get caught up in in worrying about what's going on in the world and is everything going to be okay, and you know, look at all the everything is poisoned, and you know, how can you live in this state? How can you um how can you allow yourself to see the the the depth of the depravity um that underlies the conditions that we call normal? Um

Fear, Media, And Heart Discernment

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when we get caught up in that, uh how how can we find our way through to what's true again? How how can we hold all of this negativity and this toxicity, this poison, this literal assault on us, which is happening every single day and seems to be intensifying now? How do we hold all of that in the balance with truth? Yeah, well, a couple things. First of all, um, you choose what you allow into your field, you choose what you receive. We are, you know, receivers of information. And so you are choosing what you're allowing to be in your field and whether you consent to it or not. So I'm not saying shut everything off at once. Um, it's important to know what's going on, but not to engage with it emotionally. And when you do that, you can start seeing the patterns and the cycles and the recycled headlines, and it almost becomes ridiculous. Like, oh, I guess they're running that program now. You know, you see it from a higher perspective. It's like, didn't isn't this a rerun from last year? You know, I already saw them play this out. You see the stage, it is a stage, the world is a stage. There's multiple stage stages going on, and this is like a galactic universal motion picture that we're all a part of, and everyone has an important role to play. So it's really important to keep in mind that you're not here to just watch. You're not here to just consume the information, you're here to create your own reality. So you can say, okay, that's what they're doing. I'm not engaging with it. I see the fear that they're trying to put in me, and I'm I'm going to transmute that. Now, fear, I love say the two acronyms for fear, um, false evidence appearing real or face everything and rise. Those are my two favorite things. And part of this new age deception wants us to say, Oh, there is no fear. It doesn't exist. Well, it actually does exist. Our goal is to alchemize it, is to transmute it. Um, if you feel fear, that's a signal. Fear can be a signal that you're in danger, right? It's an instinct that we have. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's there to protect us, it's there to say, hey, something's not right. You know, um, you may feel fear watching a spiritual speaker and you feel fear and you're like, I think they're a phony, right? Because your instinct is telling you something is not is off with this person. So um I don't see fear itself as a bad thing. I see it as a signal. It's what we do with it that matters. What do you are you gonna be terrified and controlled your whole life of everything? No, you're going to face everything and rise, and you're gonna see how you can transmute that or what the communication is. Is this a situation I do need to be, you know, protecting myself from or staying away from? Um, so it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's how you're perceiving it and how you're using it. Um so disengaging your emotions from all of the media, even some of the alternative media, you know, that's been compromised on a lot of on a lot of levels too. This is where you've got to go back into what feels right in your heart space, because your heart space can't be compromised. Your mind, your, your brain can, your thoughts can be manipulated, um, but your heart space won't be. You know, that is at the highest frequency. This is our vortex, this is a stargate um to truth, to the realm of truth where we really are projecting from. And so when you filter everything through your heart space, you will get the truth. Um, we're in an age of deception. You cannot trust what you see with your eyes. You know, we've got clones, we've got AI, we've got deep fakes, you know, you can't tell what's real and what's not based on what we visually see. You've got to go into your heart space, into your intuition. And this whole transhumanism movement is designed to keep us away from that. It's designed to make us artificially intelligent so that we are reliant on AI and we can't think for ourselves and we can't process for ourselves and we can't make our own uh decisions. And I see this in the awakened community, believe it or not, because I see a lot of people just kind of parroting narratives that they hear online, um, and they just repeat it and they regurgitate it without any of their own thoughts. They they don't process it. It's just they're just spitting it back out. And if they actually processed it, they might not repeat it because they might realize, hey, this actually isn't in alignment. Um, so we've got to stop chasing information and being obsessed with it and like, I need to know this and I need to know this, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's got to be a time where you shut it down and you get into that space of calm and quiet and sacred silence to let yourself process, to let yourself be, to hear the voice of your soul, to know the song of your soul, to know the voice of your heart space, because that is that's your BS meter. That's how you determine what's real and what isn't, right? Well, so that that's a great um way to segue into the practical aspect of this. Like how, okay, because I I know that our hearts have been suppressed. Our hearts have been suppressed. And uh for a long time I couldn't feel my heart. I knew I had a heart. I knew I had compassion and empathy and all that, but I couldn't really, I was like, well, but what's in there? You know, what what what how do I work with it? You know, as time has passed and I've been drawn more and more into just listening and feeling, I've I've I've started to understand that it's really about, you know, the key. It's like we each have a key, the key to our own Stargate heart, right? Or and and and so I was like, what is that key? It feels like resonance, right? Like you have to resonate with that gate to open it somehow. That's that's how I'm experiencing it. I so you know, because it's true that all of the chaos out there and the the inability to be able to tell what's real and what isn't real with your mind either will drive you completely crazy and you'll lose your mind, or you know, go off into some distorted fantasy world, or you've got to come back to your heart. Those are the choices that we have, right? So it is in a way forcing us to come back and to feel for what is real within ourselves. And the only place that we can do that is the heart. So, how does somebody who has never um really had that experience of like this huge

Opening The Heart Through Healing

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starburst that you experienced when your heart exploded, for example? How can they connect with their own stargate? Yeah, I help people with this all the time in my healing practice. This is the goal is to connect with the heart space to open this up. And you know, this question almost brings tears to my eyes because um part of this mission coming in was to heal the tremendous heartbreak on this planet. And I don't mean romantic heartbreak, I mean the heartbreak of you know, our our our our planet, our the nature, um, the human condition, our loss of ourselves, our our forgetfulness, disconnection from our heart space, our disconnection from each other, our disconnection from the planet, and it was to come and heal all of the heartbreak. The extreme abuse, the loss of innocence. It it's so heavy on this planet that I can't even talk about it without having tears come to my eyes. So I apologize. But what you just you just hit the core, the core of the mission of our goal here as a humanity is to reconnect with our heart race and to reconnect with each other and to reconnect with our planet. And so sparking that within people is the goal, is the goal of a lot of my healing practice, and it to open that up for each person is a little bit of a different path. Um, but it's going to start by seeing them for who they truly are. That seeing them for any of the hope, it's seeing them for their career, for what they've created in their life, it's seeing them for their soul. It's seeing them for that soul that they take with them from lifetime to lifetime. And it's connecting with that part of us, that eternal part of us, that part of us that never changes. Um, so it's cutting through all those false layers of the matrix, all those false layers of ego, false layers of identity, and getting to the core of the person and sparking it in them. And all it takes is a little spark. And once they feel it, it's like, whoa, I want more of that. And um, and then what usually happens is we we kind of go into the shadow or we'll go into some pain. Where are you holding pain? Where are you holding unforgiveness, whether it's for others or for yourself? You know, where where are these um blocks? Because when we turn that pain into the purpose, then there's healing. Um, when we go into the shadows without fear and just look at it for what it really is, it dissipates. That is the amazing thing, right? We and we talked about this the other day. Like this is why we know that everything is okay and everything is going to be okay, because you because when you go into the darkest place in you, uh and and and shine and and just allow yourself to to be there with it, to be present with it, to feel it, that that's when the alchemy occurs. There's nothing that can be done to us that we cannot then metabolize and turn back into gold again. This is like blowing my mind over and over again. It's like there's no, there is nothing to worry about, because everything that we have the courage, courage coming from, which is heart, you know, everything that we have the courage to face in ourselves, we can instantly almost, instantly metabolize it, instantly alchemize it. And your tears are, you know, were so beautiful. I there's no need to apologize. I also feel like this is something that we need to collectively feel. And now I'm gonna get teary, like because, and that's how I knew that I was in touch with my heart again and was like feeling the pain of humanity and what hasn't happened to us, you know, what's been done to us? It's not it's not weak to acknowledge that. It is strong, it's courageous to acknowledge that in my in my feeling of it, you know, because we have to see that, you know, the that this noble um amazing incarnational vessel, which is a full universal fractal of the source, has been uh taken advantage of and has been uh reduced. And um, I mean it can't ever really be reduced, but you know, at least in terms of overlays, it it has been attacked, it has been deformed, it it has been um uh shamed and degraded, and we have therefore very poor opinion of ourselves, and that doesn't need to be that way. And it feels like this is the rehabilitation, the reconnection with the heart is like the rehabilitation of our of our self-esteem in in the most profound way, because if we don't love who we are, if we don't understand who we are, and I'm going beyond the personal, like if when you realize, well, uh the source is I am the source, it's within me. What is there to not, what is there to reject? What is there to to, you know, that there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong in me. So I can't I can love myself without it being ego, without it being arrogance, without it being anything personal. Right? And so go, Katie, you're frozen right now. I think I'm I'm I'm waiting for it to buffer back in, hopefully. Um, anyway, my point is it feels like, yeah, there, you're back, you're back. Okay, okay. I was everything froze, so I don't know what you said. That's okay. I was just I was just summing up, you know, that this this connection to our heart is this rehabilitation of our self-esteem and the the worthiness of being human. And and I would love to hear you speak more about, you know, what is this human incarnational vessel? What is the purpose of it? Why are we in these bodies? And you know, what is so special about being human? Yeah.

The Purpose Of Being Human

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Oh gosh, that's such a powerful question. Um, well, first, first of all, let me go back because I did hear you say, you know, we're in rehabilitation. And that is so critical right now because so many of us are um we're here to help transmute the pain of the planet. Right. Um, all of the inversions, all of the traumas, all of the atrocities that happened here, especially before our planet was invaded. And again, this goes back. I have classes on this. I I I can't even really scrape the surface of it right now, but we did have an invasion, right, on our planet, and our planet holds those wounds. And a lot of us are here to transmute that energy, to bring that pain up, to hold it, to be in it, and to release it. And so many women, especially, are connecting to this because this is a a feminine creation, really. Um, and I don't mean that to be in a sexist way whatsoever. If anything, it's more an androgynous because it's not a polarity um consciousness, but it is very feminine, and the feminine has been desecrated here. It's been suppressed on purpose. Um, this divine feminine essence. So there are so many of us here transmuting that pain of our mother planet. And I can't tell you how many women reach out to me after my my classes, especially uh my Matrix Mystery class and my Tiamat and the Dragon Initiates class, where I talk about the mother planet before we had this invasion. And it tr it brings a flood, a flood of remembrance for women. And they go through a whole purging and a whole healing process. They feel the mother, they feel the planet, and they feel I'm here to do this, I'm here to bring this energy back, and they know it. They know they're a conduit, and it's incredible the the transformation that we're all bringing forward collectively. Um, so this human experience, you know, it's many things at the same time, of course, and it depends on what each soul came in to experience because it's um it's multifaceted. Uh ultimately it is about having the experience of being a human on Terra on this 3D earth at this time. Um, so you take this experience with you beyond this lifetime, right? It stays with you forever. And we're all here at an amazing time. This whole collective awakening, this whole transformation, you know, that we're going through. So it's a very exciting time to be a human. And right now at this time, it's about humanity's liberation. Because historic historically, our species was created to be a slave for these false lurgy gods. So we are born with an innate sense of unworthiness because we were born to be slaves from from the get-go, and we've transmuted that. We have we have that divine spark of eternal source within us, and that is this remembrance: like, wait a minute, um I am worthy, I am a creator, I am a part of this, you know. So that's the remembrance, and that's what we're experiencing now collectively, which is so amazing, is to be a co-creator again, is to remember who we were before the enslavement happened, right? Because we were souls before that. We were souls before our human species was created. So we're going way back and remembering our origins of that. So it's fascinating. It's an amazing time to be in a human body right now and go through this liberation process. We're freeing ourselves and we're proving ourselves worthy as co-creators. We're proving that we're responsible, we're proving that we remember our spirituality and that we have spiritual maturity and that we're here to help each other, and that we're here to be guardians of the planet, and we're here to be guardians of humanity, and we're here to protect the innocent. That is what this whole experience is right now as our collective ascension process goes on. Well, um, wow, there is a lot in there. Um, I have a million questions about the origin of our species, and uh I will reserve them for another time, but uh and your classes, obviously. And and I just want to recommend uh I obviously we'll put all your links in the show notes, but you know, Katie's website and her um her variety of offerings because you have so many, and also your book, which I have, and I also have the journal, and I also have the workbook. Um really, really beautiful stuff. So um there there seems to be an understanding uh in the awakened community that um, excuse me, um there's it's such a wonderful, uh flowing feeling conversation. Thank you so much for being here. Um there seems to be a uh a certain level of agreement in the awakened or awakening uh communities that this that the time has come, that that in other words, the the the deep state, which is really just the arm of an a parasitical consciousness which has um been dominant on this earth for eons of time, um, has reached a term, right? That it cannot literally cannot go on forever, right? And the time has come, and that's why we're all here, because it's exciting um to be at this convergence of multiple timelines and you know, everything just coming together for our liberation. Um why has the time come? What just how can we understand the cycles of time and and um you know, like uh how long have things been this way? Why are they coming to an end? Why do they have to come to an end? And what's coming in the next year, in your feeling? Yeah, wow.

Cycles, Chaos, And Staying Organic

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Well, um, it's my understanding that when we shift through the ages, like we're shifting between Age of Pisces, Age of Aquarius, that there is a window of opportunity for soul ascension. Um, so that's and we've just completed a whole rotation around the zodiac. Now, I caveat that because I have a whole class on mysteries of the zodiac, because I'm a very, I very much believe in following sidereal astrology, not Vedic, but sidereal, the true, the true placements of the sky, which actually most people are not using that with astrology. So I won't even get into all of that. Quite honestly, getting into the timelines of um how how everything gets aligned is really a mess because we've had resets and we've had so many deceptions um happen. And the ultimate goal of the cabal or the deep state, their next move is this whole transhumanism move. It's to take us and to assimilate us into a transhumanistic state and have everything digitized and you know, have us completely controlled by AI. So that's there where they want to take us. Our goal is to stay organic. Our goal is to, you know, remember that all our power, everything we need comes from within, right? That's our source, that's our generator. We don't need it from the external. We can use external technology as a tool, but we don't want to embed with it or be reliant on it. We want to be able to remember that we can do all these things on our own. Um, so within the next year, I it's just such chaos out there, right? It's every day there's some huge new thing. Now I see that chaos speeding up as a good thing. I see the matrix running through, again, like old scripts and repeating itself over and over because it can't keep up with our ascension and what we're rendering as a collective consciousness, because the reality system is actually a projection from us, from our collective conscious. So I see the false matrix system just collapsing and not being able to keep up with our rise in consciousness. But I see it being very uncomfortable because that means we're gonna have to let go of some conveniences and people are going to be, you know, very upset and people aren't going to understand what's going on. So there's going to be more chaos before things can actually start getting better. Um, but that is not to be in fear, it is more to just hold our ground and who we are, not be reactionary, and control the controllables in your life. When you can control the things in your everyday life and feel good about it and live with integrity, that reverberates. Okay, that reverberates out into the field. Um, so I I do I see this shift happening. I I just see good things happening. I'm I'm not a negative, I don't, I don't see uh, I see all of the darkness coming to light, which is painful and it feels like things are worse, but that darkness has always been there. We just didn't see it. It's it's in our face now. So this is actually a good thing because it has to come to the surface to be purged, to be healed, to be transmuted and to be fixed, you know. So all of the all of this is a good purging. It's a it has to happen. Um so I think I forgot the question. Talking about what's what's happening over the next year, yeah, yeah, I see that. And um, you know, again, letting go to false belief systems is is hard. And that's what's gonna have to happen. Um, and it's gonna the responsibility is gonna fall on us because the government systems are so corrupt um every way you look at it. So it's going to be up to us to be stepping up and taking leadership and taking control. And um I see it happening more from a grassroots perspective. Yeah, yeah, I I I feel that too. Um, yeah, I mean it's so interesting because on the one hand, when you look at you look at uh what's coming down to us, um, you you feel like, okay, well, they are working really hard on this transhumanist agenda and they've invaded us with nanotechnology and there's nothing we can do about it. And right, there there is that sort of helpless feeling of, well, I guess, you know, and you see the towers everywhere and the chemtrails everywhere, and the you know, the digital IDs coming in and and all of this. So it feels, and I'm sure they want it to feel inexorable, like, well, I guess we can't do anything about it. Um, and yet at the same time, the whole system is falling apart. I mean, I'm just so curious as to how this is going to play out in real terms, in real time, in everyday life, you know, um, because the power is of the real, of the organic is growing. Um, and and I think it's important what you said too. You know, you stated like it's it's really between the synthetic and the organic as well. We talked about the parasitical consciousness, which is a synthetic uh kind of life, right? And then there's us, we're holistic and organic, and we have everything within us already, and we don't need to be enhanced. So I talk about that a lot. Um so just in practical terms, in in everyday life, I mean, they're they're saying, for example, that that disclosure is gonna happen probably in July, that they're gonna release all of these UFO files and blah, blah, blah. And

Controlled Disclosure And False Light

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I mean, disclosure is so much more than aliens and UFOs, obviously, but it's all connected, right? The even if um they seem to give some concessions on the world stage to disclosure, I think we have to really start to be sharp in our perception and see that the there is the synthetic dark, but there's also a synthetic light. And those are two sides of the same coin, you know, and neither of them are reality with a capital R. None of them are the true organic um way of life. Uh, and and so it it's easy to get caught up in that deception too. And I and I've noticed like a number of people who came forward that I've heard interviewed on various podcasts, some of which are pretty well known. Um, that, you know, someone who was involved in Satanism for a long time and get, you know, um comes up in that world and goes through all kinds of, you know, and then and finally says, I can't handle it anymore and gets saved religiously, um, has really just gone over to the synthetic side of the light and are actually still being um manipulated by that distortion, right? So I think that there's so much, it's a very sophisticated game. And and if we don't turn inward and feel for real what is in our hearts and open that Stargate ourselves, it's gonna be very, very tricky in the next little while. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, the false light is such a big part of the age of deception that we're experiencing. And I have a class coming up on May 13th, and it's called the Age of Deception. I'm gonna talk about controlled disclosure because, well, of course we want disclosure on the main stage, but let's be really discerning with it, right? Um, what are it? It's gonna be controlled, it's going to be filtered, it's going to have its own agenda. Um, now, the positive part of that is it's going to break up the brainwashing from a lot of the heavy religious dogma. So that's going to be a very positive part. There are some people that are just not going to be able to expand their consciousness without hearing it from a government official. But I do not want people withholding their own creational powers because they're waiting for disclosure. Well, I can't do XYZ because I just I need disclosure to happen, or I need the RV to happen, or I need this, or I need that. If you were waiting on something external, that's a big red flag that there's an agenda behind that. What's the RV going now? Oh, the re-evaluation of the monetary system. Okay. And you know, this whole monetary system, of course, is a debt slave system. It's been designed to suppress us and control us and keep us in fight or flight and survival. And while I do see it flipping into something that is asset backed and that will be based in, you know, fairness and abundance, and ultimately we want to transcend a monetary system altogether because it's really just about like an energy exchange. There's got to be some kind of transitional period. And this is where we have to be really careful with like digital currency, because that's not uh what we want. That's a step in the wrong direction. Um but uh when I meet with people and they've been waiting and waiting, waiting for years for certain things to happen. Like don't live your life waiting. You know, you've got there is never gonna be the perfect time. Um, you know, start activating what you want to bring forth in this lifetime now. Little baby steps, tiny little baby steps, but don't say I'm waiting, um, or don't feel like you need disclosure to happen to be able to speak your truth. Um, this is the time to be open and to be embodied in your most authentic self now, regardless of what's going on externally. So, you know, a lot of what we're gonna see with disclosure, you know, it's gonna be a show. Um, and a lot of the galactic stage is a show. It's part of the a lot of it's controlled by the CIA. Um, that's just the way it is. I know people don't want to hear that. Um, and that's not to say people aren't having real experiences, because they are, and I'm an experiencer as well. I've experienced both. I've experienced the broad range of contacts, uh, malevolent and benevolent. So, you know, I know it's real, um, but I've also experienced manipulations. So our discernment is so critical at this point. Um and I guess we're we're talking about disclosure. Um, you know, my opinion again is that the biggest disclosure out there is the reality system. And it's not so much about when you understand the reality system and the structure, then you understand this whole UFO phenomenon and all these other like weird, weird anomalies kind of snap into place. And you see that a lot of it is for control and and a lot of a lot of other things going on. So um kind of taking the power away from that a little bit and putting it back within ourselves because it's not about them, it's not about E.T.s that's going to awaken us or bring our soul remembrance back. They can assist us with that process and the liberation, but it's not about them. It's about who we are as a human species. That's what's most important. And that is what the deep state doesn't want us to do. They don't want us to embrace our humanity. When we unite as a human species and we're proud of who we are and we love who we are and we care about each other, they're about they lose. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's to me that the disclosure is the real disclosure, like as you say, right? I mean, disclosure, it's all it is uh all of these points that are connected, you know, and you start pulling one thread and you're gonna end up with the whole sweater. But like at the bottom of that, uh underpinning all of that is who we are, who we are, right? And and um there's been such a campaign to make us the problem, um, and uh to to um yeah, to to make us uh despise ourselves, right? And and if you despise yourself deep down, then you you won't um you won't liberate yourself, you can't. So um, yeah, team human, that's what I always say. Team human. Exactly. If we can't embrace our own self-respect and self-worthiness and healthy self-love, we can't give that, right? It won't come through in an authentic way. Um, but because we're in this false matrix system, we kind of are forced to put on a mask when we go out and engage. And so that gives us a sense of inauthenticity. And that's where people had, you know, feel start feeling disconnected and unworthy. And so the whole goal is integration. So even if you're gonna be around people that aren't awake, you can still be authentic. You might have to filter what you say or say things in a way that the people will be able to understand, you know. Um, but you can still be authentic about it and you can still ask questions to them and say things to them that are gonna spark their soul remembrance. Yes, yes. Well, that brings me to um the the name of your website and your practice, earthbishop. Um talk about what what the bishop is. And I mean, I what what that what that spoke to in me was um we're all we're all an earth bishop, really. You know, we can all be an earth bishop, but to tell us what that means. Yeah, yeah. Uh

Becoming An Earth Bishop

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it has a multidimensional meaning, of course. Um, I I love using the chessboard as the analogy for our multi multidimensional experience. And my last name is Bishop, so I use the chess piece, right? And this is not a reference for Freemasonry. You know, I know there's like, you know, that is a symbol for Freemasonry. I'm not using it in that context. I'm using it just as an analogy of the game, multidimensional nature. My last name is Bishop, so it just makes sense. Okay, it's nothing, it's not dark symbolism in any way. Um, and bishop means guardian, protector, overseer. And so I want everyone to be an earth bishop, a guardian of humanity, you know, a protector of our planet. That's the goal. It's to reignite that symbiosis with our planet and with the elements and what we're made of, and to be the caretakers um of the animals and nature. That you know, we're all meant to be one. And our planet, our planet doesn't actually need us, right? But we need our planet, and we kind of live the opposite way. So um it's to help kind of reignite a new paradigm shift in the way we think about the earth and our planet and each other um as all connected and then all being one. So uh that's why I chose the name Earth Bishop. Um, I was gonna use, you know, I love the name Tara for Earth. We it's, you know, or Tara, or uh, you know, there's other names for the Earth Key, um, but Earth is the one everyone knows. So that's why I went with Earth. Well, um, yeah, again, uh um your website ha is a great uh um center for. All of the different ways that you help, that you act as the as an earth bishop. And, you know, what you said a moment ago about how each person can do something now, and it's not about waiting and it shouldn't be about waiting, you know, that we each have our individual connection to source, and there's no no one is higher than anybody else. You know, we all have that connection. It's just a question of our readiness and our uh awaken at any given time. Um the more we do that, the more we connect to that, the the more we bring in this new earth um reality that we're longing for. You know, it's it's not about waiting for it to, you know, for for systems to say, okay, now it's time for new earth. I mean, it's that's not the way it's gonna happen, right? So uh yeah, it's it's I love how you you um remind us to stand in our natural authority and to um uh uh go within and uh bring forth what is within us already, which is the entire universe. So how can we not be whole and how can we not be complete uh if we bring forth what's more of who we really are? Um any final words that you would like to leave us with, Katie? Well,

Final Guidance For The Path Ahead

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I would like to leave us with, I guess, just don't fall for the divide and conquer. Don't fall for the distractions. Um don't fall for the fear and all the propaganda. Um really put your intent and your focus on living through your heart space. And that's hard to do in this world because we're bombarded all the time with things that are gonna throw us off. But if you set your intention to try to live through that space in a state of calm, being calm is more powerful than it gets its credit for. You can be the calm, the eye of the storm. You are in your power, right? You're not in your power if you're chasing headlines or chasing information or being reactive to everything. That means something else is controlling you. When you're able to define your sacred silence and the voice of your soul, you're empowered, right? And then you're able to help others, and that is gonna be how we change the world. Katie Bishop, thank you so much for gracing the grace space with your presence. It's been an exceptional time with you, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing so generously for being here. Oh, thank you so much, Claire. It's been such it's been such a gift to get to know you. Thank you.

Closing Reflections And How To Help

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Thanks for joining me for this conversation with Katie Bishop. It was powerful, wasn't it? You know what stays with me after we finished speaking uh was this idea that that I've embraced for a long time, which is that awakening is not an accumulation of knowledge, right? Awakening doesn't have to do with getting more information, right? And as I always say, information is not transformation. Awakening is a shedding. It is a shedding, a letting go of, a releasing of everything that isn't us, all of this programming, all of this conditioning, all of these overlays and impositions on our true nature. It is a dissolving of everything false until what remains is true, is just the truth, something simple, real, profoundly alive. That is authenticity. And we returned in this conversation again and again to the heart, not as sentimentality, but as an actual compass that enables us to discern the real from the synthetic, right? The real organic truth from synthetic overlay and false light. It's a living intelligence, this heart that we have. It is a stargate back into authenticity, into coherence, into remembrance of who we actually are. That's what disclosure is to me, right? Disclosure of who we actually are. And perhaps the uh deeper invitation beneath all of the chaos and the confusion of this moment that we're living through is not to become frightened, not to become more reactive, but to become more real. It forces us to come back inside, to be more present, to be more honest, to be more ourselves, more connected to what we actually feel and know in our hearts beneath the noise. If this episode resonated with you, I encourage you to explore Katie's body of work. She has so much that you can explore on her website, her courses, her healing offerings. She's an amazing healer, and I can attest to that personally. I have experienced the healing space that she holds, and it is powerful. Um, her book, Remember Your Torch. Um, I'll place all her links in the show notes, of course. And if this conversation supported you in some way, please consider liking, subscribing, sharing this episode, leaving a comment. All of that really um, you know, it matters, it makes a difference so that the YouTube algorithm, blah, blah, blah, can send this kind of material out to more people who need it. Uh, these are interactions that are simple, that don't take long, but that genuinely help these conversations reach more people during a time when many, many people are searching for deeper context and truth and connection. So, as always, thank you. Thanks for being here. Thank you for walking this path of remembrance with me. I'll see you soon. And as always, walk in grace. You've been listening to the Grace Space. To amplify this field, you're welcome to like, subscribe, or share. Thank you.